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Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by KarlKemp on Sunday April 19, 2020 @01:57PM (#22917522)
I believe it’s very much expected to see some resurgence and to adjust measures accordingly. Over time, it might become easier to measure which interventions are most effective and to focus on those.

Schools are certainly a risky gamble, but their closing is also among the most expensive measures. Many people are staying at home because they have no options for their children, including many doctors and nurses.

Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by holri on Sunday April 19, 2020 @02:20PM (#22917717)
In Austria they closed the schools but at the same time offer care in the school buildings for children whose parents have to work.
Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by joncrane on Sunday April 19, 2020 @06:16PM (#22919245)
Doesn't this defeat the purpose?
Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by bobthepanda on Sunday April 19, 2020 @06:23PM (#22919285)
Some reduction is better than no reduction.
Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by holri on Monday April 20, 2020 @12:35AM (#22921118)
It works really well. Austrias R0 dropped down to 0.7 after lockdown
Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by cstejerean on Sunday April 19, 2020 @06:25PM (#22919300)
No, because that’s a fraction of the kids.
Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by anotheryou on Sunday April 19, 2020 @02:15PM (#22917681)
You might be right. I wished they'd publish what exactly they aim for and what the plan for different outcomes of this experiment is.

For now they seem to aim at R = 1, which means waiting for the vaccine with whatever is possible to keep it at 1. (Probably not much more than barbers and very few school classes.)

Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by lowdose on Sunday April 19, 2020 @07:01PM (#22919522)
Isn't more important to take decisions instead of holding everyone upfront accountable for any mistake?
Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by SpicyLemonZest on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:06PM (#22920240)
It's important to make the right decisions, and that won't happen without some concrete plan for what the decisions are meant to accomplish.
Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by ck2 on Sunday April 19, 2020 @06:57PM (#22919497)
love how people casually say "oops" and "we'll adjust"

those "oops" are painful suffering deaths that could have been avoided

everything has been reduced to numbers we mindlessly argue when we are talking about deaths that could have been avoided

even people who recover, this does long term lung and maybe heart damage

all could have been avoided with a true two week lockdown to let the virus die off, but nope, trade two weeks for months more of "resurgence and adjust measures"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronaviru...

this is also why I get upset at "just let everyone get infected for herd immunity" arguments - this isn't a cold, it does -damage-

Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by orangecat on Sunday April 19, 2020 @11:17PM (#22920831)
everything has been reduced to numbers we mindlessly argue when we are talking about deaths that could have been avoided

What is mindless is refusing to consider any action that might conceivably increase the number of deaths without considering tradeoffs. Or should we shut down the country during every flu season and universally limit cars to 20mph?

this isn't a cold, it does -damage-

Lockdowns also do damage; not just economic and psychological but also medical. We've stopped "elective" procedures like cancer screenings, which is guaranteed to result in worse outcomes for some patients. I agree that as of right now it's best to maintain the lockdown, but in order to make that determination we really do have to use numbers.

Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by droithomme on Sunday April 19, 2020 @09:32PM (#22920340)
It's astonishing how virulently your very sensible post is getting downvoted. By bots? Or actual HN real people? Either possibility is very very bad for humanity.

> even people who recover, this does long term lung and maybe heart damage

The problematic ACE2 receptor sites are also in the brain, intestines and liver and have seen damage. The brain one is the most alarming one from a survival perspective. We survive, but with irreparable permanent brain damage. We're no longer ourselves, we have a different personality, and we are incapable of doing our previous jobs. Is death preferable?

Re:With broad, random tests for antibodies, Germany seeks pa... by anotheryou on Monday April 20, 2020 @07:19AM (#22922888)
I doubt it's bots. It's just a polarizing topic.