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Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by voldacar on Friday April 17, 2020 @05:20PM (#22903075)
Does the current TLD system even make sense?

There is a .amazon, a .google, a .cancerresearch, a .sex, a .rich (which costs thousands of dollars btw). Plenty of them such as .io and .tv are all completely untethered from their original meanings/purposes. At this point, a website is just a string with a '.' in it somewhere.

Instead of having 1500+ discretely decided upon TLDs why not just let people just create their own TLDs as long as they have a server to host the DNS?

Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by mjayhn on Friday April 17, 2020 @05:47PM (#22903272)
Because the lucky few on top of the tld chain are still making fortunes. Ironically I see the internet going back to keywords/search terms in the future (aol keywords). I hope the tld hegemony is eventually a distant memory.
Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by burajin on Friday April 17, 2020 @07:43PM (#22904051)
That'd be a nightmare if .io got taken away. Handshake.org works to solve ICANN's TLD issue (they control the entire namespace) and charge like $185,000-250k for a gTLD

Nobody really uses opennic and it has the same issues as ICANN "a single party controls the namespace" with naming on Handshake it's verified, with no trust going to a single authority.

Handshake is a decentralized root zone file, how it should be. Check out Handshake.org (uses a coin to prevent sybil attacks) Namebase.io to bid on TLDS Nextdns.io (enable handshake) in the options Some good guides and a video here: https://dns.live/start.html

Works on top of regular DNS and supports top 100k alexa domains to prevent abuse/theft

I just bought a few TLDs DNS Live offers free hosting etc (ns/web) if you get a tld off of Namebase.io

Sorry if I seem a little biased. A cool thing to play with though. The internet naming system should be way better especially with whatever this corrupt .org sale is to some illuminati Ethos Capital, ICANN selling .org to themselves? lol

California just halted the .org sale in the spirit of an open and free internet. ICANN has too much power, and would have made over a billion on the .org sale.

Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by DeathArrow on Saturday April 18, 2020 @05:32AM (#22906451)
>(uses a coin to prevent sybil attacks)

Hurray. So it solves the actual issue of the people who makes fortunes from the DNS system not being the nice people behind that coin.

Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by edoceo on Friday April 17, 2020 @06:14PM (#22903469)
Then https://www.opennic.org is for you! Welcome friend!
Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by voldacar on Saturday April 18, 2020 @02:56PM (#22910157)
I have no clue how I've never heard of this - this is really cool and there should be more stuff like it. We should not be in a world where 70s era bureaucratic committees liks iana and icann get to define the internet
Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by str34ml1n3 on Saturday April 18, 2020 @12:39AM (#22905362)
That's really cool, but none of the listed projects seem to work (e.g. grep.geek, post.uu, be.libre, opennic.chan...). Am I missing something? Do I have to do something special to access these domains?
Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by edoceo on Saturday April 18, 2020 @02:47AM (#22905825)
Yes, use an OpenNiC NS too.
Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by bluedevil2k on Friday April 17, 2020 @06:24PM (#22903536)
The .fur domain is ... interesting
Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by echelon on Friday April 17, 2020 @09:18PM (#22904527)
That exists? It's probably all furries, then.

Exit: I totally missed the GP post. OpenNic allows any TLD to be created.

Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by DeathArrow on Saturday April 18, 2020 @05:29AM (#22906433)
>Instead of having 1500+ discretely decided upon TLDs why not just let people just create their own TLDs as long as they have a server to host the DNS

How would that fix anything?

The problem is the actual hierarchical DNS system, not who gets to own a tld.

Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by mirimir on Friday April 17, 2020 @08:24PM (#22904270)
Indeed.

Isn't this just an other example of how dangerous it is to base your business on third party resources?

Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by searchableguy on Friday April 17, 2020 @06:55PM (#22903768)
.rich seems like a great idea to earn shit ton of money.
Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by echelon on Friday April 17, 2020 @09:27PM (#22904571)
https://icannwiki.org/.rich

There are only 99 registered domains, a few of which are probably owned by the registry itself.

At $2,500/yr/domain, they're not exactly making bank. The cost to maintain all of this probably eats into the profit a bit.

Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by tialaramex on Friday April 17, 2020 @11:33PM (#22905121)
I'd be surprised if it even pays for itself. Running a gTLD is not intended to be cheap. $1M pa is the ballpark I've seen quoted.

Lots of people had the idea that they'd get a million customers and so even at one dollar per customer they couldn't help but make money, the reality in a lot of cases was few customers and no route out.

A handful of general purpose gTLDs work, there's one quite popular in Russia for example, using Cyrillic characters instead of Latin, they have a broad base of paying customers.

Most of the rest are pure vanity and can be expected to have similar lifespan to a vanity .com domain. Some will be sold to speculators, some will be expensively dormant for years, many will be abandoned and forgotten.

Mostly gTLDs were/ are a way for ICANN to make a lot of money exploring stupid people's greed.

Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by fanf2 on Saturday April 18, 2020 @11:07AM (#22908237)
> the reality in a lot of cases was few customers and no route out.

I am keeping an eye on decommissioned TLDs - https://twitter.com/fanf/status/1245512707459158020?s=21

Most of them are closed .brand TLDs owned by companies whose business isn’t DNS. The struggling open TLDs seem to be traded and collected by big registries that can get economies of scale, rather than closed, so there is a limited way out. I have seen at least one .brand TLD (.bond for Bond University) converted to an open TLD and sold to a big gTLD registry provider.

Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by tialaramex on Saturday April 18, 2020 @05:47PM (#22911382)
That's good to know, do you have all this in some other form than Tweets?

I can see that having them as Tweets is delicious if you participate because you can just RT them with context but I'm the sort of person who likes big piles of data to contemplate at once.

Re:What happens when a ccTLD is retired? Exploring the poten... by DeathArrow on Saturday April 18, 2020 @05:35AM (#22906470)
>Mostly gTLDs were/ are a way for ICANN to make a lot of money exploring stupid people's greed.

In the '90s people told that buying lots of .com was a waste. And now we have domain hoarders making millions.