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Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie by jasonkester on Friday March 04, 2011 @11:18AM (#2288522)
The author talks about his experience or getting fit by going to a gym and lifting free weights. I countered with my approach, which revolves around setting your life up so that fitness is merely a side effect.

I'm not contradicting anything that he says. I used to lift weights in much the manner that he describes, and it'd be difficult to deny that it works.

The thing that he misses is motivation. Most people simply have none of it. I certainly don't for weight lifting.

In my experience, climbing rocks and surfing, while possibly suboptimal as workouts, will absolutely get you into great shape. And they have the added benefit of providing their own motivation.

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie by krasmark on Friday March 04, 2011 @03:45PM (#2289706)
Let's bear in mind that the author is a guy who went to several different specialists across disciplines. I'm don't think he's talking about a lack of motivation - I think it's more about trying to continue to be active in a healthy way.

The author's incentive for going to the gym was so that he could go climb or surf or ski or whatever and be both "fit" and injury-free. It's a critical distinction. There was probably a time when all he had to do was go out and make those activities a part of his existence, but I would wager that as he has aged and had different responsibilities come up just making that fitness a side effect wasn't possible. Instead, he probably tried to go ski X times a year, but got hurt the first time, and the subsequent trips never happened. He probably tried to go climbing weekly, but something tweaked and suddenly he was only climbing monthly. When it's harder to go out and run 5 miles like you used to, you're less inclined to go run 5 miles, and might slip to 3. When 3 is eventually harder than before, you might just not run at all.

I think the article is speaking more to concerns as you age and you can no longer get away as easily with just participating in the sport. Rob Shaul and his mtnathlete.com and militaryathlete.com sites address those problems quite directly, and unfortunately it involves a lot of painful work that is mostly gym based. He's designing the mtnathlete workouts to help skiiers stay healthy and be ready when the season arrives. He's training military personnel to be more durable and harder to kill. To explain, the site is a few years old, but when he started it it was as Crossfit was just starting to ramp up in popularity. Despite the advertising that it makes you better at everything athletic, Crossfit is usually all about Crossfit - there are Crossfit games now and it is in many ways its own sport now. Rob's site was very specifically geared to mountain athletes who wanted to perform their sport at a high level possible with less injury. It's not a gym program just for the sake of being a gym program.

There was a time when I could go out and make my life about doing whatever sport it may be - climbing, running, basketball, etc. - and recover quickly and easily from the activity. Now my body has aged a little, I sit in a chair too much, and suddenly a small nagging injury never goes away, and I'm less motivated to go run several miles or play basketball or climb. By incorporating durability training like the article discusses, I'm more able to avoid those prolonged periods of inactivity and keep motivation up.

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie by js2 on Friday March 04, 2011 @11:44AM (#2288647)
In my experience, climbing rocks and surfing, while possibly suboptimal as workouts, will absolutely get you into great shape. And they have the added benefit of providing their own motivation.

Eh, I don't find rock climbing at all enjoyable. But I love running marathons. I've even been known to put in 22 miles _on a treadmill_. Different strokes for different folks.

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie by weaksauce on Friday March 04, 2011 @09:42PM (#2290668)
He said to take up a sport that you love. Rock climbing is my passion as well but most certainly not for everyone. I am in much better shape now that I am a rock climber than before because of two reasons I do it a lot, and any outside trip is a hike with heavy gear. I honestly cannot stop thinking about my next climb and that is the kind of thing that will bring you fitness as a side effect.

If you love (insert sport/fit activity that you cannot stop thinking about) then do that and be super fit because you love it. That was the op's point.

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie by notyourwork on Saturday March 05, 2011 @06:59AM (#2291347)
22 miles on a treadmill. Talk about boring, I do not understand how you can manage this. Now running outside is another story entirely but stationary bikes/treadmills/elipticals I cannot understand.
Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie by thesz on Saturday March 05, 2011 @11:22AM (#2291696)
Runners get high like few people can: http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Anews.ycombinator.com%2...

All on their own supply. ;)

Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie by phil on Friday March 04, 2011 @04:46PM (#2289941)
For what it's worth, the author of the article is the real deal, has written one of the best books on Yosemite climbing and a memoir of a year in which he surfed N Cal every day. It's not like he's some wide eyed dilettante who has never been outside.
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Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie by jasonkester on Friday March 04, 2011 @12:06PM (#2288770)
Same thing I recommended above and in my initial comment:

Find something fun to do that just happens to get you in shape.

I suspect they have basketball hoops, raquetball courts, swimming pools and Ironic Kickball leagues in your home town (and probably a climbing gym too). Go have some fun!

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Re:Everything You Know About Fitness is a Lie by khafra on Friday March 04, 2011 @12:31PM (#2288895)
Tampa is a vast, flat, suburban wasteland of sprawl; but there's a fantastic climbing gym built into an old warehouse 5 miles from my work, martial arts studios everywhere, public parks with bodyweight exercise stations in circuits, etc.