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Re:The Chair by alecperkins on Friday March 04, 2011 @01:25AM (#2287193)
In some ways it doesn't even matter if they have competition or not, since Apple effectively defines the category and the expectations of the users. Even now, smart phones are generally playing catch-up to the iPhone. Yes, there is some innovation above and beyond Apple; Windows Phone 7 is surprisingly impressive, and the Web OS notification system is arguably superior. But, the comparison always comes back to the iPhone or iPad, just as it did to the iPod. By providing the first truly mainstream offering in each category, Apple establishes its products as the benchmark. This gives it the freedom to go where it thinks makes sense, instead of being stuck following the leader.
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Re:The Chair by phil on Friday March 04, 2011 @02:44AM (#2287359)
> defines the category and the expectations of the users

It's stunning how long that has been true. The modern desktop OS is patterned after the Macintosh, modern laptops all use the form factor introduced by the Powerbook 100s, and now all the best phones are made to look like an iPhone.

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Re:The Chair by blub on Friday March 04, 2011 @06:10AM (#2287685)
First of all, the modern desktop OS is patterned after the work of Xerox PARC. Second of all, that form factor was used before Apple introduced the Powerbook. Last but not least, best phone doesn't equal slab of touch-sensitive glass that drops calls when you hold it wrong. Touch screens in general aren't a great fit when it comes to phone use. If we're talking phones, models like the Nokia E52 beat the pants off of any touch model.
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Re:The Chair by phil on Friday March 04, 2011 @12:44PM (#2288951)
Can you find an example of a pre-PowerBook laptop that has a form factor with these traits?

  * Clamshell with hinge at the back of the case, not in the middle.
  * Keyboard at the back of the case.
  * Blank area in front of the keyboard to rest your wrists.
  * Pointing device centered in this blank area, with mouse buttons below pointer.
There were earlier laptops with some of those elements, but I'm pretty sure the PowerBook was the first to bring them all together.
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Re:The Chair by blub on Wednesday March 09, 2011 @04:12AM (#2304366)
The items you have enumerated are not essential to the form factor in my opinion.

Depending on how deep you go into details you certanily can't find any other laptops because you're describing an exact copy of the PowerBook.

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Re:The Chair by cmiles74 on Friday March 04, 2011 @07:05AM (#2287796)
In this case I believe that crediting Apple for setting the bar on what a graphical user interface for a personal computer should look like is accurate. While they did borrow heavily from Xerox PARC and certainly didn't invent the dekstop, Apple put a compelling product in front of the masses.
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Re:The Chair by blub on Friday March 04, 2011 @10:16AM (#2288275)
Sure, they've had an important contribution, but there's a difference between recognition and adulation.

I recognize that Apple have left their fingerprint on computing. So have MS, Linux, IBM, the Osborne, etc.

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Re:The Chair by MrScruff on Friday March 04, 2011 @04:50AM (#2287578)
Exactly. The thing that gets me is people claiming they hate Apple and Apple products while eulogising competing products that are derived from a category that Apple defined in the first place.
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Re:The Chair by blub on Friday March 04, 2011 @06:13AM (#2287695)
It's perfectly reasonable - the only similarity between Android and iPhone is the form factor, they can still hate the differences, and there are important differences.
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Re:The Chair by jimbokun on Friday March 04, 2011 @10:35AM (#2288363)
"the only similarity between Android and iPhone is the form factor"

Where form factor includes size, shape, interaction paradigm and user interface conventions, software delivery mechanism, full web browser, on screen keyboard, accelerometer as a key user input device, ... and probably many other things I am forgetting.

If you look at most "smart phones" today, they will be surprisingly similar to the original iPhone (or at least the iPhone version when the App Store appeared).

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Re:The Chair by isleyaardvark on Friday March 04, 2011 @09:13AM (#2288029)
> the only similarity between Android and iPhone is the form factor

That's a huge similarity, though. Didn't the original Android plans have a keyboard and look like a Blackberry? And what about the talk about using a stylus with a touchscreen - that talk didn't die until after the iPhone came out.

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Re:The Chair by blub on Friday March 04, 2011 @10:14AM (#2288266)
Android is a copycat, I don't deny that, but it has important differences that make it better than the iPhone in certain cases and viceversa. You can hate iPhone because you can't install apps outside the AppStore for instance and that's not even related to the hardware.

That being said, I don't think that touchscreens should win against keyboard phones, both have certain advantages. A stylus is not necessarily a bad thing either. e.g: drawing, using the phone with gloves on, etc.

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Re:The Chair by ZeroGravitas on Monday March 07, 2011 @04:49AM (#2296622)
There's current Android phones still being announced with keyboards that look like a Blackberry (plus other's with various kinds of slide out keyboards). And the new HTC 7" Android tablet has a stylus.
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