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Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by Mountain_Skies on Monday April 13, 2020 @10:52PM (#22862314)
Weird Al has avoided the temptation of taking the low road and being mean spirited in his parodies. He makes fun of people and groups but it's always playful. No doubt some can look back at some of his earlier work through a contemporary lens and find something to be fashionably offended by but everyone knows in their heart he wasn't trying to make anyone unhappy for his own benefit.
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by davidw on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @12:27AM (#22862742)
From Wikipedia: Cobain is claimed to have considered that Nirvana had "made it" with the success of Yankovic's parody.

I always thought that was kind of nice - that they liked being parodied because it meant they were legit.

Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by dehrmann on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @01:32AM (#22863008)
Didn't he also add the condition that it not be about food?
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by robotnixon on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:24AM (#22865010)
Sounds like he just asked if it was going to be about food:

"I told [Kurt] I want to do a parody of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit,' and his first thing was: 'Is it going to be about food?' and I said, 'no, it's going to be about how no one can understand your lyrics.'"

Cobain thought the concept was funny and signed off on it."

https://www.howardstern.com/show/2016/5/17/weird-al-mandator...

Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by dgritsko on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @09:25AM (#22865613)
Another fun bit of trivia about "Smells Like Nirvana" - when shooting the music video, they used many of the same props, actors, camera angles, and even the same sound stage as the original "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smells_Like_Nirvana#Music_vide...
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by chris_wot on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @11:12AM (#22866956)
Smells like teen spirit was unintentionally ironic anyway.
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by samvaran on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @12:37AM (#22862788)
Another anecdote to illustrate that - he doesn't truly legally have to ask permission to do these parodies, but out of courtesy and respect, he always does. And he'll usually refrain from making a parody if a song if the artist has a genuine reason why (e.g. Paul McCartney didn't have an issue with him parodying "Live and Let Die", but Weird Al was trying to turn it into "Chicken Pot Pie" and McCartney, a staunch vegetarian, didn't love that idea).
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by nullc on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @01:09AM (#22862930)
Weird Al is also a vegetarian, for something like the last 30 years. I'm not sure if he was at that time.

(Maybe he'll show up here and tell us! :) )

Weird Al is great.

Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by zck on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @01:32AM (#22863007)
(I'm not Weird Al).

He became a vegetarian in 1992 (https://www.weirdal.com/archives/faq/, search for "vegetarian").

I don't know when the song was written, but he was playing it as early as 1992 (https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/weird-al-yankovic-2bd6cca...).

Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by dmurray on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @05:24AM (#22864057)
He'll refrain from making a parody if the artist doesn't want him to at all, no matter what the reason.
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by seangirard on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @01:12AM (#22862940)
Guess that means I’ll never get to hear him do “I am the egg pan”
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by bdowling on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @01:25AM (#22862983)
To parody without a license you can only take the minimum amount of the source to bring to mind the original. See, e.g., Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc., 510 U.S. 569 (1994). So, Yankovic probably does need a license from the owner of the composition, because his versions usually borrow the entire source song and don’t change the tune or arrangement. Also, many of Yankovic's songs aren't parodies but take a well-known song and take the lyrics in a completely different direction.

As I understand it, he does also seek permission of the original artist, who isn’t always the owner of the copyright, as a professional courtesy.

Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by wtallis on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @03:25AM (#22863490)
> you can only take the minimum amount of the source to bring to mind the original.

That's not what the ruling you refer to says, and it's not what the statute says. The ruling's text is at https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/92-1292.ZS.html and mentions nothing along the lines of "minimum". The Supreme Court held in that particular case that the portion of the lyrics copied was not excessive, and left it up to the lower court to decide whether repeating the bass riff was excessive.

The statute's general guidelines are that all four of the following factors must be taken into account when determining fair use:

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

Factor (3) is the only one that deals with how much of the source material can be used, and it also does not support your assertion. And those rules aren't just for parodies.

Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by bdowling on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @05:42AM (#22864140)
See CPLX’s reply. Fair use is irrelevant if Weird Al is paying for a license, even a compulsory license.
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by CPLX on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @05:01AM (#22863945)
This is irrelevant.

You can just play the actual song the other person wrote. You’ve heard of the concept of covers right?

I don’t need anyone’s permission to record my own version of any song, and I can change the words or otherwise rearrange it however I want.

I might owe them publishing royalties but that’s an entirely different conversation.

The article implies it’s a grey area but that’s not actually true, it’s not really borderline at all, at least not for creating the songs. Al could have completely ignored the artists opinion he just chose not to.

With that said, the issue of a sync license could be a little more complex, and maybe is what the article is referring to. That could have some impact on the ability to create videos, though that would generally seem to hold up well to a fair use defense.

Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by circlefavshape on Wednesday April 15, 2020 @05:29AM (#22875921)
> I don’t need anyone’s permission to record my own version of any song, and I can change the words or otherwise rearrange it however I want.

You can't change the words - doing so makes your cover a derivative work, and not covered by the usual compulsory licence. You can change the arrangement

Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by bdowling on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @05:29AM (#22864081)
You’re right and I should have been more clear. Yankovic does need a license, but not permission because the compulsory license scheme for “covers” would suffice.
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by aidenn0 on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @12:40PM (#22868094)
The compulsory licensing for covers may not apply if it is not true to the original spirit of the song.
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by dehrmann on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @01:35AM (#22863018)
Mostly. Give a listen to the gory version of "The Night Santa Went Crazy." But it's still so absurd you can't be too offended. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC4hJMpW2pM
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by chris_st on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @08:15AM (#22864940)
He once said in an interview, "I'm doing a poke in the ribs, not a kick in the butt".
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by bouvin on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @03:47AM (#22863584)
I think the most famous example of this is Prince not wanting Al to parody his work. A pity.
Re:The Weirdly Enduring Appeal of Weird Al Yankovic by Loughla on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @11:33AM (#22867210)
I think it is also a message about the performer as to whether or not they allow Weird Al to do the parody.

I feel like anyone who says no takes themselves too seriously.