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Re:As of April 7, 2020, CA DMV has issued two Driverless Veh... by DanCarvajal on Monday April 13, 2020 @09:15AM (#22855524)
> Musk is just more open with plans and often too optimistic,

Or call it what it is, lying. He habitually lies about timelines.

> still have most advanced self driving capabilities that are actually mass selling now.

Easy to be the most advanced if you're the only one "selling".

Re:As of April 7, 2020, CA DMV has issued two Driverless Veh... by omgwtfbyobbq on Monday April 13, 2020 @10:35AM (#22856191)
I wouldn't go so far as to call it lying. Unless you believe anyone who makes an inaccurate forward looking statement is lying, in which case I would say the majority of people lie the majority of the time when making forward looking statements.
Re:As of April 7, 2020, CA DMV has issued two Driverless Veh... by DanCarvajal on Monday April 13, 2020 @07:04PM (#22861140)
It's a lie because he knows he can't reasonably achieve anything he's promising on any of the stated timelines. It's Theranos but with cars.
Re:As of April 7, 2020, CA DMV has issued two Driverless Veh... by omgwtfbyobbq on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @05:28PM (#22871693)
It's possible. Do you have any specific examples?

My experience with forward looking statements has been that people interpret something with many caveats as promises with no caveats.

Re:As of April 7, 2020, CA DMV has issued two Driverless Veh... by aquadrop on Monday April 13, 2020 @01:30PM (#22857909)
It's not lying if he believes what he says. Do you have proofs that he deliberately does it?

> Easy to be the most advanced if you're the only one "selling". I don't understand what you mean with quotes.

Re:As of April 7, 2020, CA DMV has issued two Driverless Veh... by DanCarvajal on Monday April 13, 2020 @07:01PM (#22861112)
The constant pattern of over promising and at most under delivering indicates shenanigans.

Telsa's FSD package is a scam that will never be delivered. It's not a sale because there's no service delivered, it's a lie meant to trick people and investors out of their money.

Re:As of April 7, 2020, CA DMV has issued two Driverless Veh... by aquadrop on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @07:46AM (#22864777)
They also overdeliver sometimes.
Re:As of April 7, 2020, CA DMV has issued two Driverless Veh... by DanCarvajal on Tuesday April 14, 2020 @09:48AM (#22865882)
This is true, no one expected a fart app for a car.