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Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by dagmx on Saturday April 11, 2020 @12:00PM (#22842321)
Personally I agree with the other reply that advises against asking this.

Everything in a job interview should be to frame you in a positive light.

I see way too many candidates try and play the humble route, and all it does is sell them short. There’s a fine line between too humble and too full of yourself , and neither side is good to find yourself on. This particular question seems to me to be too humble.

Questions like this may seem like it makes the candidate seem humble and open to feedback, but in actuality whenever someone has asked something like this it has made them appear insecure and planted more seeds of doubt in the interviewers mind since they now have to think about their shortcomings.

Maybe phrasing it a better way would help:

“What qualities are you looking for, for this role?” “Are there things you think i should brush up on , assuming I get this role?” “Where do you see me best being able to contribute in this role?”

Those questions give you the same data points, leaving you to infer where you may be lacking. It leaves the interviewer with a sense of your confidence without seeming too full of yourself, and generally the wording makes them consider you as if you’re in the role, versus not in it.

Again, a job interview is a sales pitch. People should be honest while balancing keeping the tone positive.

You wouldn’t sell a car by pointing out its flaws. Don’t sell yourself the same way.

Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by quietbritishjim on Saturday April 11, 2020 @12:37PM (#22842525)
I don't agree that asking this question is taking the humble route. Asking if they have any concerns doesn't mean you think that they should. In fact there's an obvious subtext that if they do have concerns then you can address them, so they're not really valid. That's almost the opposite of being humble!

Personally I don't think it sounds either arrogant or humble overall, plus it shows a willingness to discuss difficult things in a polite manner (at least the question as stated above was polite) which is also a plus for a candidate.

Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by sideshowb on Sunday April 12, 2020 @03:55AM (#22846668)
Agreed. It's also engaging well with the meta game.

Related - Once viewing a house to buy I asked the seller, is there anything you think I should know about this house that I haven't asked about. Their reply turned out to be a deal breaker (at the time - maybe it would have been fine but the point is we got a lot more information! )

Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by WalterBright on Saturday April 11, 2020 @02:29PM (#22843213)
The best sales technique for a candidate is for the candidate to do research and/or ask enough questions to find out what the problems the company is having. Then the candidate explains how he's going to fix those problems.

This works because that's the reason why the company is interviewing people - they have a problem they need to solve. Be that solution.

Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by klenwell on Saturday April 11, 2020 @03:09PM (#22843461)
Good point. I'm not applying to work at a car dealership. When I'm on the other side of the table, I'm deliberately trying to avoid hiring a car salesmen. As a hiring manager, I may give a bit of a canned response to the question. But I'm not going to hold it against a candidate.

If this question turns a company off, both the company and candidate have obtained a critical piece of information.

Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by sideshowb on Saturday April 11, 2020 @01:52PM (#22842986)
Yeah but I do point out a car's flaws when I sell it. I don't want anyone being annoyed thinking they've been ripped off and I definitely don't want a guilty conscience if anything safety critical goes wrong.

The fact that anyone would be surprised by that is a sad indictment on our culture.

Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by SilasX on Saturday April 11, 2020 @03:30PM (#22843604)
This. If you penalize honest humility, you are probably also constantly surprised by people overstating what they can do.
Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by dagmx on Saturday April 11, 2020 @06:12PM (#22844628)
It’s not about penalizing humility. I think you missed the point I’m making. It’s that there's a human factor to interviews, and part of that is presenting yourself in the best light.

It’s a subconscious thing, but you really don’t want people to start thinking negatively about you, because it can cause that negativity to linger and affect your assessment. You especially don’t want someone to end an interview on the negative note. Do it in the middle if you have to but make sure you start and end positively

Again, there’s a fine line between too much humility and too much hubris. Humility is fine in moderation , but you have to keep from being excessive or you do a disservice to yourself as much as overselling yourself.

Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by sideshowb on Sunday April 12, 2020 @03:42AM (#22846639)
Ok actually I do like your second rephrasing of that question, but if that's your point I think you are overstating it with the car analogy. I did recently miss a job I thought I wanted, possibly by being too honest - who knows but if that was indeed the reason maybe I dodged a bullet there.

Also though I agree with quietbritishjim's take, from the other side of the table I would actually read the question as confident. I'm British as well. Cultural thing maybe.

Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by SilasX on Saturday April 11, 2020 @10:16PM (#22845613)
Oh no, I get it: you want me to fool you, and once I see how you work, I'm more than happy to do so, or, more likely, work for someone with more realistic expectations.
Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by mattkrause on Saturday April 11, 2020 @04:14PM (#22843897)
I have a slightly different motivation for asking that question. It's not (false) humility. Instead, I want to avoid a situation where the interviewer thinks "Obviously, he wouldn't know about that" and either doesn't ask at all or the conversation moves along before we talk much about it.

For example, I talked to someone on Friday about a bioinformatics job. In passing, the manager remarked, "So you probably don't have any experience analyzing gene networks...." While that's true, I have done other graph theory/network analysis work that uses the same mathematical tools, so we talked about that for a bit. Without that offhand comment, though, I'm not sure how I would have gone about making my case.

Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by indymike on Saturday April 11, 2020 @11:37PM (#22845883)
Always being positive or never showing a negative seems to make people seem shifty, overly political and sometimes just dishonest. Interviews are as much about buying as selling - you are picking your next employer as much as they are picking you. Most bad hires I've made have been people who oversold themselves in the interview.
Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by pdr2020 on Sunday April 12, 2020 @02:16AM (#22846386)
I agree with dagmx.

However, I'd carve out an exception. In an interview where you have, without a doubt, not done well and there's greater than a 80% chance that you feel you won't proceed, this question may potentially be a good hail mary, for salvaging the interview.

But, I've never used the technique before. And unless you have alot of interview experience, it will also be difficult to make judgement calls on how well or bad an interview has gone.

Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by austhrow743 on Saturday April 11, 2020 @11:13PM (#22845799)
You close sales pitches. Asking if there's any way you haven't shown you meet the criteria either leads in to the close or allows you to address an unstated objection.

Any sales person that does their pitch then just goes "welp, see ya later" at the end has no business being in sales.

Re:Questions to ask at the end of a technical interview (2017) by jamespollack on Saturday April 11, 2020 @04:37PM (#22844033)
people aren't cars