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Re:Why Is the Stock Market Booming? by ianai on Friday April 10, 2020 @01:28PM (#22835184)
That’s what’s telling about so many companies buying back their stocks. They’re admitting they are unable to use any further liquidity to better their business. Essentially their business is at a maximum level and any additional profit is only useful for building their market cap. They’ve considered all growth and development options and found them all less valuable than buying their own stock.

Tells me their profit margins and market powers are holding the market back greatly.

Re:Why Is the Stock Market Booming? by jedberg on Friday April 10, 2020 @02:04PM (#22835649)
That's not the whole story though. Public companies are punished greatly for making big bets that fail, or for making bets that take a long time.

For example, maybe Boeing has a design for a brand new plane that can carry 1000 people and go Mach 3. But it might take them 10 years to develop such technology.

The market would punish them severely for pursuing such a thing, so it makes more sense to buy back stock, otherwise they might get sued out of existence by their shareholders.

The market no longer values long term bets unless you are very special (Apple, Google, somehow Tesla). All those companies have mastered marketing their long term bets.

Re:Why Is the Stock Market Booming? by ianai on Friday April 10, 2020 @02:14PM (#22835761)
You say that like that’s not problematic.
Re:Why Is the Stock Market Booming? by jedberg on Friday April 10, 2020 @04:29PM (#22837035)
I don’t think I made an opinion either way. :)

I think it’s highly problematic. It stifles pure research from the companies that have the most capital and talent to do it.

Re:Why Is the Stock Market Booming? by dmoy on Friday April 10, 2020 @02:02PM (#22835604)
How is that at all different from companies issuing dividends?

Isn't returning value to the shareholders the entire point of selling stock to investors in the first place?

Re:Why Is the Stock Market Booming? by ianai on Friday April 10, 2020 @02:12PM (#22835738)
Even dividends would be more thoughtful than stock buybacks. Such things are usually planned out for quarters at a time meaning they reflect some moderately deep portion of the business plan. Buybacks are just saying “we have this money in hand. We could use it for R&D to grow our business in some way (opening new branches, new plants, or just anything that could cost money up front for more money later), but instead we’re going to plaster this cash onto the facade of the business. We literally have no better use for it.”
Re:Why Is the Stock Market Booming? by dmoy on Friday April 10, 2020 @02:44PM (#22836106)
I mean I'm asking, how are they actually different, besides one being worse for the shareholders w.r.t. taxes? They both involve transferring $X to shareholders.

Dividends are also saying "we have this amount of money on hand or cash flow, and no better use for it, so here you go"

I don't see the difference. Stock buyback looks to me like dividends without the tax - imagine a dividend reinvestment plan without the middle step and the tax bill.