Re:Type I and Type II Errors: The Inevitable Errors in Optim...
by jackallis on Thursday April 09, 2020 @11:49AM
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what are those "superior terminology"?
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Re:Type I and Type II Errors: The Inevitable Errors in Optim...
by amluto on Thursday April 09, 2020 @11:58AM
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“False positive” and “false negative” are pretty good.
Re:Type I and Type II Errors: The Inevitable Errors in Optim...
by twanvl on Thursday April 09, 2020 @12:03PM
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They are certainly better than Type I and Type II, but it is still a potentially ambiguous (at least as a non-native speaker). What makes a "false positive" false? Is it called a false positive because it is actually a negative, or is it called a false positive because it is a positive for which you made the error of calling it negative?
Re:Type I and Type II Errors: The Inevitable Errors in Optim...
by setr on Thursday April 09, 2020 @12:31PM
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That much is fine -- it's ambiguous if you don't know the general idea in the first place -- it's true of most things. The problem with type 1/2 is that it's so utterly devoid of memory hooks that even if you recognize it, and know the idea, you can't confidently identify which is which.
Re:Type I and Type II Errors: The Inevitable Errors in Optim...
by thaumasiotes on Thursday April 09, 2020 @01:18PM
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> or is it called a false positive because it is a positive for which you made the error of calling it negative?
Not to pick on the non-nativeness of the problem here, but that's not really a way you can use "false". I'd be a lot more comfortable calling an underlying positive that tested negative an "unidentified positive" or a "misdiagnosed positive" [this one really is ambiguous in exactly the way you suggest] or anything else that suggested that the positive was there and an error occurred in noticing it, as opposed to suggesting that the positive wasn't there in the first place.
So, it's a fair complaint for non-native speakers, but you just can't choose all your terminology to meet their needs. :/
Re:Type I and Type II Errors: The Inevitable Errors in Optim...
by jdashg on Thursday April 09, 2020 @12:32PM
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It's a false positive when the test comes back positive, but it was wrong. "Test falsely reported positive"
Re:Type I and Type II Errors: The Inevitable Errors in Optim...
by naasking on Thursday April 09, 2020 @01:40PM
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Substitute "incorrect" for "false", and it's all clear, ie. "incorrect positive result", and "incorrect negative result".
Re:Type I and Type II Errors: The Inevitable Errors in Optim...
by RosanaAnaDana on Thursday April 09, 2020 @12:06PM
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Even reading this thread, I feel like I need to get to get a tattoo that says type I : false positive ; type II : false negative