Re:Data Science: Reality Doesn't Meet Expectations
by gcatalfamo on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @07:38AM
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You are being downvoted but you are exactly on point. If some fail they may be bad students, but if the majority of my students fail they're not bad students, it is me who is a bad teacher.
Re:Data Science: Reality Doesn't Meet Expectations
by thablackbull on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @07:49AM
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> Of course, the teacher knew this, gave bonus points to the ones who did start in time, and then extended the deadline as he had expected to from the start.
I think what he meant is they 'failed' to get it completed on time and it was meant as a teaching lesson.
Re:Data Science: Reality Doesn't Meet Expectations
by ehnto on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @09:04AM
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That wasn't in the original comment.
Re:Data Science: Reality Doesn't Meet Expectations
by xaedes on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @08:57AM
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Failing is a form of learning. Enabling to fail (preferably in a safe way) is very valuable for learning.
Re:Data Science: Reality Doesn't Meet Expectations
by ehnto on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @09:05AM
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Agreed, and the now edited comment illustrates how the teacher made it a safe lesson. That portion wasn't in the comment when I replied, and it sounded more like the teacher simply failed to prepare their students.
Re:Data Science: Reality Doesn't Meet Expectations
by rezeroed on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @07:45AM
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"Of course, the teacher knew this, gave bonus points to the ones who did start in time, and then extended the deadline as he had expected to from the start."
Re:Data Science: Reality Doesn't Meet Expectations
by ehnto on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @09:02AM
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That wasn't in the original comment. It has been edited since I replied, which is fine. I do it all the time, sometimes you miss that someone replied during your editing.
Re:Data Science: Reality Doesn't Meet Expectations
by MaxBarraclough on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @07:55AM
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Similarly, it's not good teaching practice to trivialize deadlines.
Re:Data Science: Reality Doesn't Meet Expectations
by Grimm1 on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @08:12AM
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Yeah plenty of time for workplaces to do that for you. I can count on my hand the number of times something has been a hard deadline. This teacher taught a valuable lesson usable for the rest of the student's carreers and "the most students shouldn't fail mentality" has led to professors I know personally questioning the caliber of student they are receiving and this is a top 30 program I'm referring to. More people should fail, maybe they'd start treating things seriously and the problem of underqualified technical applicants would resolve itself.
Not to miss the point, but I don't think "All my students failed" is the mark of a good teacher. It sounds like the teacher failed to prepare their students for the nature of the assignment. Perhaps he was surprised as they were when they all failed, as I doubt failing most of his class was his intention.