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Re:Apple Faceshield by Loughla on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:21PM (#22806536)
And while we're here, let's go ahead and get these others out for people to read:

Bleach+vinegar = chlorine gas, Bleach+ammonia = chloramine, Bleach+rubbing alcohol = chloroform

Just don't mix bleach with anything.

And while we're at it, don't mix hydrogen peroxide and vinegar, either.

Re:Apple Faceshield by csours on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:37PM (#22806671)
And before anyone gets big ideas about the chloroform, it is not pure chloroform; it is generally contaminated by phosgene, which is truly terrible stuff.
Re:Apple Faceshield by droopyEyelids on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @05:20PM (#22807596)
During a wasted youth I poured over hundreds of The Hardy Boys Casefiles, where they'd receive and recover from a traumatic brain injury 3-5 nights a week (getting "knocked out").

Thanks to your comment I now know the other nights, where they were not rendered unconscious by blunt trauma, but rather through a rag of chloroform, they were probably inhaling phosgene too.

Those boys were sure putting their futures at risk!

Re:Apple Faceshield by csours on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @05:33PM (#22807715)
Hah, same. Between The Hardy Boys and silly TV crime dramas I think a lot of kids got the wrong impression about getting "knocked out". It turns out that pretty much anything that can cause unconsciousness is also likely to cause death or serious permanent injury.
Re:Apple Faceshield by brodie on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @04:45AM (#22811151)
But everyone knows a tap on the head causes instant unconsciousness!
Re:Apple Faceshield by cakoose on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @05:44PM (#22807788)
Re:Apple Faceshield by Zenbit_UX on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @11:24AM (#22813714)
Can you explain the chest wound on your right side part?
Re:Apple Faceshield by rarrarrarr on Wednesday April 08, 2020 @12:03PM (#22814145)
In the movies, a chest wound (like a gun shot) on the right side means, "Phew, it missed their heart!"

IRL, that injury on either side is equally worrying.

Re:Apple Faceshield by FireBeyond on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @09:00PM (#22809118)
Even with chloroform, it is not like the movies, "here, does this rag smell like chloroform?".

It's probably five minutes of steady inhalation while your mouth and nose are covered by a rag (not held above your face).

Not particularly practical.

Source: my EMT class on poisons and ODs, thank you very much.

Re:Apple Faceshield by jedberg on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:23PM (#22806564)
You need to add an extra newline at the end of each equation so it doesn't run all on one line. Like this:

Bleach+vinegar = chlorine gas

Bleach+ammonia = chloramine

Bleach+rubbing alcohol = chloroform

Re:Apple Faceshield by Loughla on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:38PM (#22806685)
I like longer sentence structures and lists of connected items in that format. It's less blocky and easier for my brain to process connected items. I put commas in now for other humans.
Re:Apple Faceshield by lonelappde on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @04:00PM (#22806916)
Peroxide + vinegar should not be poured together. They are safe ONLY in dilute concentrations like spraying a bit of each onto a surface and then wiping. https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/home/cleaning/tips/a32773/c...
Re:Apple Faceshield by Avamander on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:38PM (#22806684)
It is a bit sad that so many people miss or forget these important lessons in HS chemistry :P
Re:Apple Faceshield by bragh on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:44PM (#22806749)
Wasn't even told that about those things in HS chemistry in my time in my country, not sure why - considered too dangerous knowledge by educators? Only found out about it on 4chan and gasped on how easily we could have accidentally injured ourselves while cleaning our dorm bathroom.
Re:Apple Faceshield by Loughla on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:47PM (#22806779)
I learned about these from the book "A Child Called It". When the abusive parent uses the bleach+ammonia mixture on him.

Then I tried to figure out what else bleach could do. This is not a healthy line of experimenting for a dumb 17 year old.

I 100% believe HS chem should teach this. Then at least you know what not to do.

Re:Apple Faceshield by Symbiote on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:57PM (#22806879)
Isn't it very clearly printed on the bottle in your country?

Here (I assume this is an EU regulation) it says "WARNING! Do not use together with other products. May release dangerous gases (chlorine)."

Re:Apple Faceshield by kube-system on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @04:17PM (#22807065)
Re:Apple Faceshield by Symbiote on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @06:20PM (#22808066)
Here's an EU (UK/Ireland so it's English) one:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81nqrPdi1nL...

There are almost 200 pages of EU rules and guidance in the first document [bottom of 1], and some hundreds more pages in related sections of that site.

That said, the cheap-brand bleach in my cupboard has a word-for-word translation into Danish of the English text, and a consistent layout, and there's some merit in that.

[1] https://echa.europa.eu/regulations/clp/labelling

Re:Apple Faceshield by snazz on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @04:32PM (#22807192)
The "DO NOT use or mix with other household chemicals, such as..." part should probably go on the front and a little bigger. I can't imagine that everyone would read the whole thing.
Re:Apple Faceshield by kube-system on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @04:50PM (#22807330)
It's okay, because they pointed out that it's a violation of federal law to use the product in a way inconsistent with the labeling.

Checkmate people who don't read the label.

Re:Apple Faceshield by bsagdiyev on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @10:09PM (#22809440)
Wow, I wasn't sure if it was just me! Coincidentally that was also the same book I learned about those two being dangerous mixed together. Just curious, have you read "Go ask Alice"?
Re:Apple Faceshield by Avamander on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @05:52PM (#22807865)
I really don't know how any chemistry can be taught without teaching metal + base reactions, or without teaching salt + acid reactions. I really really don't think your educators missed the rules that make it possible to know what happens when you mix foil with pipe cleaner or bleach with vinegar, they might've just not mentioned the very specific reactions and you failed to generalize.
Re:Apple Faceshield by huehehue on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @07:05PM (#22808424)
I learned about it through The Anarchist Cookbook. They don't teach you in high school not to transport gasoline in a styrofoam container.
Re:Apple Faceshield by Avamander on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @08:28PM (#22808981)
They don't teach you how organic solvents often dissolve polar materials such as various polymers? I'm really becoming befuddled here, what do they teach then?
Re:Apple Faceshield by huehehue on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @09:31PM (#22809272)
Well, my grade school science teacher was also my gym teacher (he may have held a third position). So we mostly just sang periodic table rhymes and made baking soda volcanos.

Despite what you may have heard, the average middle-American education doesn't prepare you for the hard science of the real world.

Re:Apple Faceshield by Avamander on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @09:36PM (#22809293)
Illuminating, I didn't know it was that inconsistent. I have a newfound appreciation of my own teachers now.
Re:Apple Faceshield by gawi on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @10:43PM (#22809565)
One has to ponder if starting teching that will result in the next TikTok bleach+vinegar inhalation challenge.
Re:Apple Faceshield by DonHopkins on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:27PM (#22806589)
Or bleach + diet coke + mentos.
Re:Apple Faceshield by jhweoiru on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:31PM (#22806628)
Or to be even more generic, never mix a cleaning/disinfecting product with anything else.
Re:Apple Faceshield by sirtimbly on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:39PM (#22806688)
There goes my childhood entertainment.
Re:Apple Faceshield by adrianmonk on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @03:49PM (#22806802)
At least they didn't warn against the dangers of holding a match in front of a can of WD-40.
Re:Apple Faceshield by mark-r on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @04:29PM (#22807169)
Once I used some WD-40 sprayed on a paper towel to lubricate a retracting car antenna. When I touched the antenna I got a static electric shock, and the paper towel burst into flames in my hand. Good times.