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Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by netsharc on Monday April 06, 2020 @05:58AM (#22792198)
I have another "Google is shit now" anecdote: a few months ago I wanted to look up some trivia for the movie "Lord of War". I entered this term in Google, and since there was a game that was just released, it responded with "Showing you results for 'God of War'". No results on the front page had anything related to the Nic Cage movie.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by blunte on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:24AM (#22792341)
Perhaps Google believed that nobody would intentionally look for a Nicolas Cage movie...?
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by greggman3 on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:30AM (#22792381)
Why? He's an academy award winning actor who is hugely popular or else he'd be out of a job.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by uk_programmer on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:35PM (#22799002)
Lord of War is a pretty decent movie.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by mda on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:03AM (#22792230)
Can you find the exact search term from your search history?
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by netsharc on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:10AM (#22792259)
It was "lord of war director's commentary". I thought it was because many more people were googling for the game, but I just tried and Google is still doing this!
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by fingerlocks on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:21AM (#22792324)
If you click the “search instead for...” then the non-video result was exactly what I believe you wanted.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by mattmanser on Monday April 06, 2020 @05:58PM (#22798307)
The point is, why is it doing this?

It's not even suggesting both God of War and Lord of War, for me all the results on the first page are about God of War.

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by hvis on Monday April 06, 2020 @08:36PM (#22799307)
It's probably correcting people's typos, as well as saving a crap-ton of money this way (search results are undoubtedly cached).
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by eitland on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @05:24AM (#22801652)
At the cost of destroying their once in-its-own-league quality.

Today I use DDG mostly, thanks to Googles choices. DDG is equally bad WRT this but

- it is easier to move from DDG to Google (just add !g) than the other way around

- and DDG isn't as invasive

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by krapp on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:17AM (#22792300)
I just searched "Lord of War" and the front page is entirely about the movie. Don't know what to tell you.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by netsharc on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:24AM (#22792342)
So you replied to my response about the exact search term I used by telling me... this?
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by krapp on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:28AM (#22792367)
Yes, you said it was happening currently, so I tried it. The problem you're complaining about doesn't actually appear to exist, at least not objectively.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by monktastic1 on Monday April 06, 2020 @09:20PM (#22799537)
> so I tried it.

It doesn't appear that you did. The search term in question is "lord of war director's commentary," and you say you're trying "lord of war." And even if the problem didn't exist for you, but did for them, that does not mean it doesn't exist "objectively."

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by eitland on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:40AM (#22792452)
You are using a different query it seems.

Also as a non native speaker you appear to be rude.

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by scollet on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:22AM (#22792700)
They aren't being rude, just increasing the sample size and reporting back. Perhaps we're witnessing SEO for different regions, regulations, and aggregate history of the two.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by eitland on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:51AM (#22792864)
Again, I'm not a native speaker, here are the exact words that krapp used:

- "Don't know what to tell you."

- "The problem you're complaining about doesn't actually appear to exist, at least not objectively."

In my limited experience I don't see any reasons to use these exact words in this context except to belittle..?

Anyone care to explain? My seatbelt is fastened and I'm ready to learn (and apologize if necessary :-).

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by bobisbob on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:15PM (#22798848)
I'm a native English speaker. You're feeling that there is a belittling connotation is valid.

The first quote is potentially a dismissal, which is belittling. However, if it stood alone, it could also be interpreted as the person backing off because they lack qualification to interpret the results. But the second quote includes dismissal terms like "complaining" and "not objectively" in a demeaning context.

So, with all that, I'd say your impression is valid. The context highly suggests that these responses were meant to belittle the parent author's contribution to the conversation.

Here is my take on the parent's search results. The God Of War director ( Cory Barlog ) was a big part of the marketing for the game. And he did some in-game commentary for it too. So, this suggests some kind of SEO manipulation. But it could also just be the google spellcheck guessing wrong.

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by graeme on Monday April 06, 2020 @05:40PM (#22798163)
Found the point of confusion. “Lord of war” returns the movie. “ Lord of War director's commentary” returns the game.
Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by curmudgeon63 on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:33PM (#22798534)
Intentionally? I'll assume good faith. Under that presumption, my best interpretation of that poster is "socially unaware, likely prone to nitpicky argumentation."

The poster who said he was having difficulty getting good results from Google, was obviously venting about his own personal experience.

Next comes along another poster who says "I tried it. I don't have your problem." Another post down, "... The problem you're complaining about doesn't actually appear to exist, at least not objectively."

Excuse my outburst, but who the fuck says that?

The original poster was venting about a problem he experienced. What good can someone do when he comes in and says that he doesn't experience the same problem, and states that it likely doesn't exist? There is no upside here. There's an only a downside: being rude.

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by krapp on Tuesday April 07, 2020 @05:53AM (#22801798)
>Excuse my outburst, but who the fuck says that?

>There is no upside here. There's an only a downside: being rude.

Says the person who apparently created a green account just to shit on my grammar and cast aspersions on me.

Pot, meet kettle.

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by krapp on Monday April 06, 2020 @07:03AM (#22792601)
I'm not trying to be rude, but I honestly believe a lot of the complaints people make about how useless Google's search results seem overblown. I use Google all the time, sometimes for obscure results, often for technical stuff, and the worst I've ever had to do is look past the first page, but often the first page suffices.

Google showing results for director's commentary of God of War when someone searches "Lord of War director's commentary" is arguably not a failure on Google's part if more people do search for the game than the movie, regardless of the incorrect title.

That said, I completely agree with the theses of TFA. SEO is a cancer.

Re:How SEO Ruined the Internet by krapp on Monday April 06, 2020 @06:13AM (#22792279)
Google usually shows a link to "search for x instead" when that happens. And let's be fair, most people searching for "Lord of War" are probably really searching for "God of War."

Having to click an extra link or maybe scroll beyond the front page doesn't make Google a shit show.