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Re:Farmworkers face coronavirus risk: ‘You can’t pick strawb... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @02:58PM (#22752325)
>Lot's of people are allocated what are probably criminally small portions of the value they create.

My comment was written to elucidate why "value they create" is a useless sentiment. For example, none of the paintings in Louvre or whatever museum have any value to me. But they do to other people, so it would be impossible to have a consensus on "value". Some people like strawberries and would value them more than people who don't like strawberries.

The purpose of paying someone is to perform the desired work. The amount paid is the signal to the person performing the work that the work you want to be done should be done rather than someone else's.

The purpose of paying someone is not to provide them with some nebulous concept of value or to make sure they have a minimum standard of housing and fed, etc. Those goals should be accomplished by other means (UBI or some other type of societal welfare system).

Re:Farmworkers face coronavirus risk: ‘You can’t pick strawb... by groby_b on Thursday April 02, 2020 @12:45PM (#22760895)
The purpose in our current societal system

Our form of greed-centered capitalism is not some inevitable natural truth. We've chosen to live that way. We can choose otherways. We can choose to pay people to recognize their contributions to society, as opposed to how much they do to enrich an individual. We can choose to ensure everybody has decent living conditions, no matter what to do. We can choose to live vast swaths of humanity in dirt and squalor. We can choose to commit collective suicide.

It's up to us. Right now? It's a point where events are pushing us to consider our choices.

Re:Farmworkers face coronavirus risk: ‘You can’t pick strawb... by lotsofpulp on Thursday April 02, 2020 @04:02PM (#22763099)
>We can choose to pay people to recognize their contributions to society, as opposed to how much they do to enrich an individual.

You have yet to provide a formula with which to calculate this amount. And since it's such a complicated concept, I'm going to go ahead and assume it's impossible to calculate.

Re:Farmworkers face coronavirus risk: ‘You can’t pick strawb... by JoeAltmaier on Thursday April 02, 2020 @12:48PM (#22760934)
That sounds wrong. It is a natural truth, that if somebody will do a job for less, folks will hire that one instead. Competition, capitalism are a reasonable fallout of currency and trade.

We can choose some things, but not how a free market behaves. And experiments in non-free markets have not gone so well (see Chile, Venezuela etc etc).

Like it or not, I don't think I have this wrong. Wishing isn't the same as logic.