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Re:Farmworkers face coronavirus risk: ‘You can’t pick strawb... by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @02:41PM (#22752134)
I think it's pretty sad we passed a $2.2T stimulus bill, with $500Bn in unemployment benefits, so the average person that gets laid off can make about $60k a year (adjusted for taxes) to not work -- and we did hardly nothing to protect people that actually need to work and are at high risk!

Worst of all, most of these jobs are low paying -- much less than you'd get from the current unemployment. We basically created an incentive to quit your job over fear of the virus and make more money collecting unemployment.

I mean, even in hospitals there are A LOT of jobs that pay less than you'd make from this new unemployment bill.

After taxes, the average nurse aid makes about half what they could collect on unemployment right now.

I'm not saying beefing up unemployment was bad. I'm just worried this is going to backfire, and it doesn't seem fair to people working in grocery stores, on farms, and most of all -- in hospitals. It would be nice if these workers got paid AT LEAST as much as if they became unemployed, for example.

Re:Farmworkers face coronavirus risk: ‘You can’t pick strawb... by munk-a on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @02:58PM (#22752337)
Look, the vast majority of folks like to work. Some people will stop working but there are a number of older folks who worked as Doctors who are coming out of retirement to do their part.

I understand where you're getting this from but unfortunately it's an old conservative Meme that gave us such hits as "The Welfare Queen" - people legitimately don't like being on unemployment when they can be working. Perhaps we need to beef up social safety nets in general, and I'd be ecstatic if we came out of this crisis with a more healthy view of public healthcare - but this issue you're concerned about isn't an issue.

Re:Farmworkers face coronavirus risk: ‘You can’t pick strawb... by throwaway94697 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @04:30PM (#22753209)
In the majority of cases, one cannot receive unemployment benefits if they quit their job. Unemployment benefits are generally for those have been laid off. Additionally, one must be actively looking for work in order to receive unemployment benefits, so those collecting benefits are not just "not working".

The reason many nurses go into the profession is to help people, not because of the pay. Not everybody lets money govern their lives.

In the future, I'd actually read before you spout off. Your numbers seem very dodgy and your logic even dodgier.

Re:Farmworkers face coronavirus risk: ‘You can’t pick strawb... by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @04:43PM (#22753305)
No need to be rude.

You could do the math...

Over the next 4 months, if you get laid off and you were making less than $60k, you're almost guaranteed to not be negatively financially impacted. Over a longer horizon, who knows what else congress might pass. Maybe in 5 months you'll be screwed. Maybe not. Who knows?

The government is sending everyone making less than $60k a one-time $1200 transfer (federally tax free), plus $600 (federally tax free) per week. This is a total of $11,600 (if you're laid off). Adjusted for taxes on an annual basis, that's over $50k.

Then you add in state unemployment. Even somewhere like Florida that has one of the lowest maximum unemployment payouts in the country ($275/week), will almost certainly push you over $60k on an annualized basis.

California, Texas, New York, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and Ohio (representing about 40% of the country) all pay roughly a max of $460/week.

Generally, if you make $50k, most states will pay you out close to $460. Some like Florida will pay much less. Some like Massachusetts will pay much more.

Over the 4 month period, this would push your income up to $11,600 (federally tax free) + $8000 (taxed). On an annualized, tax-adjusted basis, the average person making $40k who is laid off would now be making close to $80k.

That's better than 78% of Americans.

Additionally, you could read the bill. The bill sates you can file for unemployment if you quit your job because you are impacted by Coronavirus -- which includes 1) if you get the virus, 2) if you take care of someone that has the virus, or 3) if you believe working puts you in danger of contracting the virus.

Source: https://www.cnet.com/how-to/coronavirus-unemployment-payment...

Additionally, do you have a source that most nurses go into the job to help people and not make money? Anecdata is not data, but I'm good friends with several nurses, and every single one of them doesn't like the job, but thinks it's a good option because the pay is good. Maybe you have the opposite experience. A study would be nice, but I'm not able to find one.

I don't know any nurse aids.

Re:Farmworkers face coronavirus risk: ‘You can’t pick strawb... by germinalphrase on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @02:53PM (#22752271)
Can you provide references with regard to your unemployment claims. Here in minnesota you receive about 50 percent of your weekly wages up to a max of $740 a week. That hardly seems like an incentive to get laid off (note that you don’t collect unemployment if you voluntarily leave a job, i.e. quit).
Re:Farmworkers face coronavirus risk: ‘You can’t pick strawb... by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @03:01PM (#22752366)
The federal government is pouring $600 per week, federally tax free. So that's closer to $685+ after taxes.