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Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by nyrulez on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @12:18PM (#22750364)
After having spent plenty of time in multiple environments, any kind of absolute statements one way or the other are bound to be incorrect. IMO it's highly person and situation specific. For me the best order of productivity is:

1. In office but not surrounded by co-workers i.e. can focus for long hours without distractions.

2. At Home and not distracted by family members or other "temptations/errands" at home.

3. Office with co-workers

4. Home with family members/errands to take care of, which there can be plenty of during these Covid days.

Some people don't like to be alone and for them Option (1) isn't going to work. They like to be surrounded by other working people to have that sense of group work which helps power them through. For them Option (3) will clearly be the best.

Beyond that it also comes down to individual habits. Do you have a system to work at home? Without that one can be pretty ineffective. What's your "sustained focus" mechanism or algorithm? It can be a mix of:

- Micro goals system that works intra-day not just inter-day.

- Shutting off distractions by keeping the phone in a separate room (if the job allows, since computer can still relay most of the information)

- Clever use of headphones with the right kind of music or background noise that works for you.

- Some notion and measure of self-accountability.

- many others

The current environment is a pretty good time (and test) to strengthen any of the productivity habits. It takes practice but I don't see what the alternative is.

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by robotresearcher on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @12:59PM (#22750884)
> any kind of absolute statements one way or the other are bound to be incorrect.

The article: "Data proves it: Remote work boosts productivity." "This groundbreaking study, involving 16,000 participants, was conducted by Stanford professor Nicholas Bloom"

Of course different people work better in different modes. But since there's no reason to believe that we are uniformly distributed through those modes, one mode could be net more productive by objective absolute measures even if lots of people are in a suboptimal mode.

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by chadash on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:30PM (#22751294)
> "This groundbreaking study, involving 16,000 participants, was conducted by Stanford professor Nicholas Bloom"

I clicked through to the study and it is 16,000 call center employees. This simply doesn't translate to a lot of other jobs.

If you are a call center employee, you're probably not doing a lot of collaborative work. Moreover, it's easy to track your time on the phone, so being at home doesn't necessarily make it easier for you to slack off.

Also, of note, the participants all volunteered for it. It's a strong assumption to assume that people who want to work from home being more productive will mean that everyone working from home will improve productivity.

In short, this article makes a lot of assumptions about how the data would generalize. A more accurate, but less click-baity title would be "Remote Work Can (And Does) Boost Employee Productivity For Certain Types of Workers".

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by Supermancho on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:48PM (#22751477)
Remote work seems to slow EVERYTHING down every time my teams have been fully (or near fully) remote. I expect the shortening of the work week to boost productivity, but I don't see remote work doing the same, at large.
Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by alohaandmahalo on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @03:16PM (#22752530)
Tough to fully answer this question without context, but a few thoughts which may be useful. I work at GitLab, the world's largest all-remote organization, and have 14 years of experience in remote settings. I penned the guides you'll see below.

Hybrid-remote environments are tough if you don't have leadership on the office side of the equation implementing remote-first practices, such that everything is optimized for remote-first. Otherwise, your remote staff are always a second tier and at a disadvantage. https://about.gitlab.com/company/culture/all-remote/how-to-w...

It's possible that you're operating in Phase 1 of remote adaptation, which is imitating the design, structure, norms, ebbs and flows of an office environment. This is passable but not optimal. https://about.gitlab.com/company/culture/all-remote/phases-o...

Many office norms become slower when you try to copy/paste into a virtual world, which sheds light on the reality that those norms aren't the ideal way to accomplish the work. Instead of looking through the lens of "why doesn't this process transfer well to the virtual world?," look through the lens of "how could we be a more transparent and efficient team if we didn't have the burdens of the office?" In a way, it's scarcity vs. abundance mindset. https://about.gitlab.com/company/culture/all-remote/what-not...

Remote isn't for everything, and it isn't for everyone. It needs to be implemented well with intentional leaders, just the same as a colocated team needs intentional leadership to thrive. The conversation is often framed as us vs. them because that's the recipe for clicks, but it's a weak argument. Remote can work, colocated can work. You need great leadership, documented processes and culture, and company-wide trust in both instances.

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by toomuchtodo on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:50PM (#22751510)
How do you explain successful fully remote orgs such as Gitlab, Hashicorp, and Zapier (in no particular order, just off the top of my head)?
Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by chadash on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @03:43PM (#22752809)
Fully remote orgs attract people who want to work remotely. I, for one, don't work as well at home as I do in the office, even with all the distractions. So I'd probably not take a gig at one of these companies.

You can't take a self-selected group of people and make broad generalizations about the entire population.

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by joshuamorton on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:52PM (#22751542)
It's possible to succeed while being non optimal.
Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by compiler-guy on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:07PM (#22750991)
The mistake people and companies will inevitably make is believing that because, on net, having everyone work from home makes people more productive, it will make a specific person more productive.

In other words, companies may misinterpret this study as "everyone working from home" is the optimal solution.

But the optimal solution is some people working from home and some people not.

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by robotresearcher on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:16PM (#22751098)
Agreed. I just looked at the study itself, and there's an important fact that the article does not mention. There were two test groups WFH and on-site. The WFH groups were volunteers, and their outcomes were better.

It's interesting that the net productivity of the on-site workers did not go up despite the removal of the self-selected WFH-curious population.

The study: https://nbloom.people.stanford.edu/sites/g/files/sbiybj4746/...

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by James_Henry on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:58PM (#22751616)
This is great in that it shows that people who volunteer to work from home end up being more productive at home. However, knowing that you are part of a study that is measuring how effective people are at home and in the office and being someone who volunteered to work from home, there are clearly incentives for those assigned to work from home to work harder and for those assigned to work in the office to work less hard.
Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by lutorm on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @02:25PM (#22751960)
Except the people who worked in the office also volunteered to stay, so why wouldn't they work harder too so they don't have to start working at home when they don't want to?
Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by James_Henry on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @04:07PM (#22753020)
Sorry, that is just pertaining to the first part of the study. After seeing those results they did indeed allow all who wanted to work from home and saw an increase in their productivity.
Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by rv-de on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:51PM (#22751522)
That is a really important detail I must say.
Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by sharadov on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:27PM (#22751260)
I was extremely productive WFH full time till the stay-at-home started. Now I've the wife WFH and 2 kids to take care of. I can't get any sustained work done.
Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by satysin on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:42PM (#22751428)
IMHO working from home only really works if you are alone (or the other people are also working from home, i.e. quiet and considerate). Sure you might be able to get an hour or two of quality work time while your partner and kid are watching a movie but the rest of the time is a nightmare.

I have worked from home for a while now. I have a home office that is just for work. I work from home to be more flexible, remove my commute and remove physical office interruptions. And because I just generally prefer being on my own when I work.

Even with a dedicated home office I find working from home very difficult when others are around such as weekends.

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by sharadov on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @04:06PM (#22753011)
Cannot agree more!
Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by slx26 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @12:44PM (#22750698)
Agree with the idea that it depends a lot on many factors, many of them unique to each person. I'm sad that we interpret averaged figures as "data proves that [...]" as if we were trying to win a war of opinions instead of trying to make everyone's life better.

What kind of work do you do? What type of person are you? What's your work space, both at the office and at home? Who's your boss and which are the work dynamics at your workplace? How many distractions do you have there vs at home? How long do you have to commute if you go to the office? And how annoying is it?

I feel we are still pretty new at all this and really suck at it. There are many ideas very unexplored, like making pairs or small groups from time to time to let employees that are geographically close work together in some projects, and have flexibility to organize their work inside their own group. Who knows, maybe in 100 years, for the types of jobs that allow it, we won't have such strict employee - company relationships, and we will focus more on projects, with spaces and teammates being something more flexible, where we have a say in the way we want to organize. That might be interesting.

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by snarf21 on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:53PM (#22751557)
Right, there are always tradeoffs. Some engineers think LOC is a measure of productivity but 2 days of architecture discussion could save 100s of hours. At the same time, constant Slack messages and all day meetings create too much overhead. There is no silver bullet. I've always felt it best to have each team run how it runs best and let the team leads handle the synchronization. It is hard to have teams go off and not build the wrong thing even with documentation. Managers have to understand not just the what but also the how and why.

Additionally, some people like me hate working from home. I don't feel part of a team at home. It feels more like a hated chore at the house. I've bought co-working memberships to help separate work life from home life. It helps some people create and maintain healthy balance. Time together in person builds relationships in a way you can't over the phone. This happens today at larger companies that have several "work from office" locations. It creates a very us vs them mentality. People don't get the benefit of the doubt and (bad) assumptions are made.

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by capableweb on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @12:29PM (#22750516)
> IMO it's highly person and situation specific

Yeah, I wish this was more normal to aim for, "It depends". Everyone is always trying to come up with a silver bullet that works for everything, and once they find something that works for them, they try to shove it down everyone's throat.

Same happened when "open floor offices" gained popularity, the cargo culting began and now you're a bad company unless you have a open floor office. Same is happening with remote work.

As someone who mostly does frontend, I need to be able to work tightly with product and design teams, to communicate and ask questions during implementation.

But back when I did backend work, I could mostly just receive requirements from product and frontend team, spend time in isolation to fulfill those requirements and my work was done (most of the time at least, not always).

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by eshyong on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @12:41PM (#22750658)
IMO the real reason open floor plans persist is because it's cheaper for the company than the alternatives (cubicles, offices). The more people you can pack into work "pods" the better.
Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by opo on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @02:46PM (#22752192)
The usual cost argument for open floor plans is that by devoting less square feet to each employee, you save money on rent. (The costs to actually put in a door and some sheet rock walls is a one time expense that isn't very high in comparison to the monthly costs for rent.)

The reality though is that if employees are less productive, any savings in rent will be small compared to the costs associated with lower worker productivity (assuming you have expensive employees like engineers etc).

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by Reedx on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:46PM (#22751458)
Yeah, absolute statements about this (and many things) are rather silly. It depends on so many variables - office setup/environment, home setup/env, type of work, personality, coworkers, commute distance, etc.

Everyone will have to figure out what works best for their particular situation. For some that'll be remote, for some office and for others a mix of the two.

I think the important thing is for companies to consider the options in a thoughtful, big picture way. Also not assume that current remote productivity is indicative of remote work during non-pandemic times, heh.

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by Shorel on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @01:11PM (#22751035)
Yes, but the overwhelming consensus I read on other forums is the report of the failure of the work-from-home policy at Yahoo some years ago.

So, this is a counterpoint to the current absolute-statement circulating online.

Re:Remote Work Can (and Does) Boost Employee Productivity by chapium on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @12:36PM (#22750606)
TBH you should hard stop on errands and temptations. Just set aside time on the calendar for them and keep it in sync with your flow. These can be very damaging to productivity since they are disruptive.