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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by BrandiATMuhkuh on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @05:26AM (#22736041)
Now I know why it was the only video conferencing service that worked in Dubai. Others, like meet, WhatsApp - video are not working for censorship reasons.
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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by bad_user on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @05:50AM (#22736157)
I'm pretty sure that Google Meet isn't end-to-end encrypted either. Nothing that Google does is.

WhatsApp does claim that videos are end-to-end encrypted as well, although given Facebook announced they'll implement client-side agents for processing user data and given its proprietary nature, I avoid WhatsApp for anything very sensitive as well.

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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by antoinealb on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @07:43AM (#22736614)
Google Duo is end-to-end encrypted [0]. I don't know about Meet.

Disclaimer: Working at Google, in the same org as Duo.

[0] http://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en

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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by bad_user on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @10:14AM (#22737696)
Ah, it's nice to hear that Duo does e2e, thanks.
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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by nimrody on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @10:48AM (#22738022)
Very well explained, too. Great work.
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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by Adverblessly on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @06:48AM (#22736402)
> I'm pretty sure that Google Meet isn't end-to-end encrypted either. Nothing that Google does is.

To the best of my understanding, they say that it is https://support.google.com/a/answer/7582940?hl=en

EDIT: On rereading they actually just say that it is encrypted, not neccesarily end-to-end encrypted.

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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by viraptor on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @08:43AM (#22736936)
Google provides close captioning for meet calls. That means it's not E2E. Also pretty much no service can provide multi-party video call with adaptive quality without completely destroying your bandwidth.
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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by relaunched on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @10:05AM (#22737626)
I'm interested in knowing more about why closed captions would imply not end-to-end encrypted. Wouldn't it be possible to build a model and distribute the model with the client-side application, and run it at the edge?
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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by krageon on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @10:26AM (#22737806)
If they did that, everyone would have the model (meaning you would see closed captions in a lot more places, because it would absolutely be stolen).
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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by munkiefish on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @11:49AM (#22738711)
Google translate and Google Gboard offer offline voice to text transcription... So it would seem the model is indeed on your device, and Google says as such - http://ai.googleblog.com/2019/03/an-all-neural-on-device-spe...
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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by JetSpiegel on Wednesday April 01, 2020 @08:19PM (#22754988)
On the ARM TrustZone, maybe? Or whatever co-processor run Widevine.
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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by marcinzm on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @10:49AM (#22738029)
Isn't 128-bit AES and SHA-1 fairly weak encryption nowadays?
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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by ThePowerOfFuet on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @07:21PM (#22743864)
128-bit AES is not "weak" by any definition of the term.

SHA-1 is deprecated but it's good enough for this application for the near future.

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Re:Zoom meetings aren’t end-to-end encrypted, despite marketing by upofadown on Tuesday March 31, 2020 @11:46AM (#22738669)
>128-bit AES

Perfectly fine...

>SHA-1

You missed the important bit:

>SHA-1 HMAC

Also perfectly fine...

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