Re:The SEC Wants Investors to Stop Buying the Wrong Zoom Sto...
by ajross on Sunday March 29, 2020 @06:34PM
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Your rational efficient market at work. Good grief.
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Re:The SEC Wants Investors to Stop Buying the Wrong Zoom Sto...
by mardifoufs on Sunday March 29, 2020 @06:41PM
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Rational/efficient markets don't mean no irrational players. It just means that those players get punished for their irrationality, which is exactly what happened here. If anything efficient markets hypothesis is based on the fact that low/bad information is penalized which in turn makes markets more efficient ;)
Re:The SEC Wants Investors to Stop Buying the Wrong Zoom Sto...
by vikramkr on Sunday March 29, 2020 @06:53PM
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Technically everyone can be rational if their utility curve is optimized by buying the wrong zoom
Re:The SEC Wants Investors to Stop Buying the Wrong Zoom Sto...
by mardifoufs on Sunday March 29, 2020 @07:10PM
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Yep! I think Matt Levine talked about that recently. Though to be honest, speculating on an almost "fake" stock isn't exactly rational (from the perspective of an individual market participant) because there is no way to even try to optimize the utility curve.
Re:The SEC Wants Investors to Stop Buying the Wrong Zoom Sto...
by vikramkr on Sunday March 29, 2020 @07:37PM
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Unless you find it fun to gamble. Risk seeking utility curve
Re:The SEC Wants Investors to Stop Buying the Wrong Zoom Sto...
by mardifoufs on Sunday March 29, 2020 @07:50PM
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Ah! But we already have SPY options if you want your fix of purely degenerate gambling. I won't disagree that it's super fun! ;)
Re:The SEC Wants Investors to Stop Buying the Wrong Zoom Sto...
by vikramkr on Monday March 30, 2020 @08:44AM
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Some of my professors would include tesla in that list haha. To each their own!
Re:The SEC Wants Investors to Stop Buying the Wrong Zoom Sto...
by asdfasgasdgasdg on Sunday March 29, 2020 @07:03PM
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I don't know. The purported rational market (which I don't really believe in) would have corrected this problem by selling shorts, among other things. However such trading IRL would have turned out to be a really bad idea because of just what has happened. So it's plausible that knowledge of the non-freeness of the market prevented an efficient price from being reached for this security.
Re:The SEC Wants Investors to Stop Buying the Wrong Zoom Sto...
by mardifoufs on Sunday March 29, 2020 @07:24PM
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Would it have been rational to be short though? If people confused it for the real thing before you shorted the stock, why would one assume people won't keep making that mistake? It is obvious that anyone who buys the wrong stock because of the ticker has low or no information about the stock so what could make that change? So even if the current investors realize their mistake, there's no reason to believe more badly informed played won't keep buying.
Shorting a stock is only profitable if it has at least some informed shareholders that will react rationally when confronted with negative changes by selling their stakes. On the other hand, shorting a stock inherently full of irrational players and speculators trying to profit from them is contradictory, because you are betting on (deeply) irrational players being rational.
Re:The SEC Wants Investors to Stop Buying the Wrong Zoom Sto...
by asdfasgasdgasdg on Sunday March 29, 2020 @08:19PM
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The way this usually works is someone buys a really large short position at a good price and then publicizes true information that convinces at least some long traders to sell their positions.
There's also some question to me how much liquidity there is here. Their volume isn't tiny (at least according to Yahoo Finance) but I don't actually know how many shares are trading hands. There might not be a deep enough book to make it worth making the trades.
Re:The SEC Wants Investors to Stop Buying the Wrong Zoom Sto...
by mardifoufs on Sunday March 29, 2020 @11:39PM
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Yep but that's my point! Odds are, if you can't even bother checking if you are buying the right stock beyond looking at the ticker, you won't know about a short seller publicly announcing it's short position.