Doctor and nursing salaries are pretty low in the UK, if management is diverting capital expense money to salary increases, they are doing a poor job of it.
https://fullfact.org/health/spending-english-nhs/
"Looking at the wider UK, the amount spent on health has been increasing over the long-term. That’s true whether it’s expressed in cash, cash adjusted for inflation, per person, or as a proportion of the size of the economy."
Population growth puts pressure on public services. The British people have been asking for reduction in population growth for a long time, partly out of concern for the state of the NHS, yet of course have been repeatedly denied by the EU and their own political classes. 4 years after voting to leave the EU largely to get a grip on the ever-increasing cost of public services they still haven't been allowed that.
Doctor and nursing salaries are pretty low in the UK
They're extremely high. The average pay for specialist consultants in the NHS is £120,000 or approximately 6x the average salary. This is dramatically higher than in say, Germany, where specialists earn 80,000 Euro on average. That's £71,600 or a bit less than 60%.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=average%20salary%20for...
https://www.medscape.com/slideshow/2019-uk-doctors-salary-re...
if management is diverting capital expense money to salary increases, they are doing a poor job of it.
They've done an excellent job of it. From 2010:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/8206972/Billion...
"Billions of pounds spent on improving NHS hospitals has mostly gone on staff salaries while productivity has fallen over the last decade, a key National Audit Office (NAO) report has found."
"Between 2000 and 2009 the NHS workforce grew from 1.1 to 1.4 million - almost a 30 per cent rise. That included an extra 12,500 consultants, whose average pay rose from £71,900 to £120,900 over the same period - a 68 per cent increase. Doctors' pay rose by 48 per cent, nurses' and midwives' by 36 per cent and managers' by 34 per cent"
Health costs have been rising everywhere in the world and this has little to do with population growth (that's actually good because young people pay taxes), but more with rising life expectancies and the resulting average age. Every country has been experiencing the same trend (the US being an exception likely because of privatized healthcare): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Germany and those country have pretty different population developments.
Also you are comparing a Facharzt salary to a consultant, that's not a fair comparison. You should compare to a specialist and look what do they earn in the UK? £40,037 to £74,661. https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/explore-roles/doctors/pay-d...
That looks awfully similar to what a Facharzt earns (actually with the current rates the German earns significantly more more): 70.000 – 95.000 Euro https://www.praktischarzt.de/arzt/gehalt-arzt/
Please, just stop this. Departments asking for more money than they know they'll be allowed and then getting less is a universal truth of organisations, both governmental and corporate. It's called negotiation. Being given more money than you had before is not, and never will be, a "cut" in the English language. That word has a precise meaning and it simply doesn't apply here.
Likewise the NHS wasn't asked to find 20 billion in "cuts". That doesn't even make sense. You can't increase your own budget by reducing it. They were told that if they really needed that much they would be expected to find it through increased efficiency. Keeping a check on NHS waste is a key function of elected governments which voters expect them to fulfil, simply writing them blank cheques has been tried before and didn't work (as in costs went up, but healthcare outcomes didn't or didn't by anywhere near as much).
Health costs have been rising everywhere ... more with rising life expectancies and the resulting average age
And the NHS budget has been rising too.
Also you are comparing a Facharzt salary to a consultant, that's not a fair comparison
Alright, fair enough, then focus on the original statement - doctors and nurses get anywhere between good and extraordinarily good pay relative to the average salary in the UK. There are doctors in the UK earning significantly more than the Prime Minister, and their pay went up significantly during the last Labour government (not sure about this one, didn't look, but I assume pay inflation has been only slightly lower).
The point is that significant amounts of the money given to the NHS ended up being spent on increased OpEx like salary increases, rather than CapEx like capacity increases or efficiency improvements. Obviously the NHS must raise salaries at least in line with inflation, and really more in line with global healthcare inflation to avoid brain drains. But the idea its hospitals are run down because evil central government keeps cutting its budget is just far wrong.
Yes, this is how such threads always go. It's a simple three step process:
1. Someone claims the NHS funding has been cut
2. I point out that's a lie, no such cuts have ever happened and in fact the budget has always gone up
3. Somebody else replies with: but it should have grown even faster.
The point I'm making is not about the correct level of healthcare spending, which is arbitrary and values-based as healthcare systems will consume however much money is given to them. Rather the persistent level of outright lying that accompanies any discussion of the NHS in Britain. It's absurd and quite obviously linked to a belief that misleading people is fine if it's for a 'good cause'.
But this behaviour has to stop. It isn't OK to lie even if the outcome might appear to be desirable (more political pressure for higher healthcare spending). People learn that they're being manipulated and support for the desired cause can collapse.
Having no money for CapEx is not how you maintain a health service long term.
I'll repeat this until I'm blue in the face. The NHS has more money now than it's ever had. Not only does the NHS have money for capex but it's been repeatedly allocated money specifically and only for capex, because NHS managers have a long history of preferring to divert spending on upgrades to other forms of spending - frequently salary increases.
It's bad management. The government attempts to combat this lack of forward thinking by earmarking of money specifically for upgrades (what you criticise here as "pots of money for very narrow purposes"). One of the first things Boris Johnson did is allocate a billion pounds to the NHS only for capex. Unfortunately it doesn't work:
https://www.hsj.co.uk/technology-and-innovation/exclusive-qu...
"Capital spending was particularly tight with only £150.3m spent from £354.1m of allocated funding ... funding to help NHS trusts to become more digitally advanced accounted for most of this capital underspend. The DH planned to spend £116.2m of capital on these trusts in 2016-17 – instead it spent nothing."
The idea the NHS doesn't have money for capex is just another piece of misdirection. It refuses to spend on upgrades even when central government is trying to force its hand, because it knows that the result is No 10 will blink and give up, which is what happens:
"The money was not allocated elsewhere but “as with all Department underspends, was available to offset pressures in other parts of the system”, she said."