Re:Effect of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in 80 Covid...
by vikramkr on Friday March 27, 2020 @11:34PM
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I don't understand why there wasn't a control - placebo effect would matter here and 1/80 dead could just simply be an effect of these patients being more closely monitored in the study, it doesn't sound too far off from the 1.2% death rate you see cited in some publications. This just isn't a confidence inducing paper.
Re:Effect of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in 80 Covid...
by lone_post on Friday March 27, 2020 @11:36PM
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It's important to note the 1.2% case fatality rate includes all patients, including the 80% or so who do not require hospitalization.
This study was performed on a group requiring hospitalization, so a 1.2% mortality rate would appear extremely promising in that context.
Re:Effect of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in 80 Covid...
by asdfasgasdgasdg on Friday March 27, 2020 @11:40PM
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Where in the study does it say that those with a low NEWS score were omitted? The only selection criterion I saw is pcr-positive for sars cov 2.
"Patients with PCR-documented SARS-CoV-2 RNA from a nasopharyngeal sample were admitted to our infectious diseases (ID) ward."
Doesn't list any other criteria. This is a small part of why control groups are so important.
Re:Effect of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in 80 Covid...
by vikramkr on Saturday March 28, 2020 @10:47AM
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It's also a really well written paper. Isn't it impressive how people just read into it and assume that there must be all these criteria that make the data better without them being detailed or a control group? Not many academic papers can communicate things (of differing levels of veracity) that they want to communicate but can't say explicitly so well.
Re:Effect of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in 80 Covid...
by asdfasgasdgasdg on Saturday March 28, 2020 @11:23AM
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There seem to be a huge number of people reading about this topic online who just want to be comforted and are willing to throw all critical thinking out the window to that end. That's the only way I can figure why all these optimistic but poorly designed papers are being cheered on places like HN and /r/covid19, not to mention the news.
Re:Effect of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in 80 Covid...
by vikramkr on Saturday March 28, 2020 @01:10PM
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Theres a reason even the language of scams - snake oil - has an origin in health panacea. Health and money have ways of getting people to believe things that they should be quite a bit more sceptical of.
Re:Effect of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in 80 Covid...
by m0zg on Saturday March 28, 2020 @12:59AM
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It's not just "him". 27 people besides "him" are listed as the authors of this study.
Re:Effect of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in 80 Covid...
by asdfasgasdgasdg on Saturday March 28, 2020 @01:04AM
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People who work in his lab/hospital? Tbh the participation of a single data faker in a study throws the whole thing into question. Surely not all of these people can be ignorant of his history? So they are ignoring it instead. Why would this be? Perhaps because you are dependent on the faker in some way?
If there is a weak link in the causal chain it throws the whole thing into doubt. An author with history of faked data combined with exceptionally weak and low powered study design yields weak evidence. I barely count this as evidence in either direction about whether this therapy is effective.
Re:Effect of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in 80 Covid...
by m0zg on Saturday March 28, 2020 @01:28AM
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How about this: https://newsd.in/anti-malarial-drug-currently-only-remedy-fo...?
Re:Effect of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in 80 Covid...
by asdfasgasdgasdg on Saturday March 28, 2020 @08:23AM
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Not a scientific study.
https://forbetterscience.com/2020/03/26/chloroquine-genius-d...
Yep, it's him. I'll wait for a reproduction from an independent group before believing this.
If I may say: be especially wary of people who tell you that what you want to believe is true. It's not necessarily that they're more likely to lie. It's that your guard is more likely to be down against mistakes in their reasoning. Doubt is the province of the wise.