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Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by Rooster61 on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:02AM (#22702875)
That just disables the voice assistant. It does nothing to ensure that your mic isn't on, listening, and recording at any time. I've had too many targeted ads start popping up after conversations with people to be convinced otherwise.
Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by Jarwain on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:32AM (#22703109)
My pet theory is that this is actually a geo-location type of tracking, combined with the recency illusion.

Let's say person A was doing research on a product they're interested in buying. That product category is now associated with person A. Person A goes and visits person B. Because our phones track where we go by default for most people, now there's an association between Person A and Person B, and a potential likelihood that person B is also interested in that product. Thus the occasional ad shows up for the product Person A was researching. Since Person A and Person B are friends, it's possible Person A will talk about the product they're interested in. Person B now notices that they're getting ads for the product that Person A talked about.

Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by arbitrage on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:15AM (#22702979)
it's observer bias, nothing more. test it out. pick a phrase, my spouse and i chose "snowmobile". For the next week, we had random conversations about how cool snowmobiles are, how badly we wanted one, what price we were willing to pay, financing, etc. we peppered our conversations with click bait, honestly. neither of us particularly ever had any interest whatsoever in snowmobiles, so we figured this would be a pretty ok test for anecdata.

at the end of the week, we both saw no increase or even a mention in our targeted adverts regarding snowmobiles. likely what is happening is that you searched something somewhere on your phone, then brought it up in conversation, then saw an increase in ads related to that subject.

Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by iamricks on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:22AM (#22703032)
I think people just underestimate how good targeted ads are. They're probably predicting something we might want before we even realize we want it.
Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by Rooster61 on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:27AM (#22703070)
> At the end of the week, we both saw no increase or even a mention in our targeted adverts regarding snowmobiles.

While I do respect you and your spouse for trying this experiment, it's entirely too small a sample size to really prove that this doesn't happen. There are a ton of variables involved, the biggest being which advertisers may or may not be listening in at any given time. It's hardly a controlled experiment, and I can't say I can put any stock in it.

It also does not prove that it is observer bias. I have had things pop up that I am %100 absolutely positive I never in any way shape or form looked into, yet there the ads were after a short conversations with others who did have an interest.

Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by mrobot on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:36AM (#22703137)
One thing i thought of and wanted to test: what if you yourself don't do any internet queries but someone on the same network as you does? I've had conversations with people, one time we were talking about a concert venue which i did not look up, but i did start to receive ads for that concert venue. It creeped me out initially, but I believe the other person on the same home network was googling or looking for information on that venue on their phone. I believe we were just associated together for advertisement purposes.
Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by wolfgang42 on Friday March 27, 2020 @09:07PM (#22708342)
I’m pretty sure this happens. When I was doing work with NetSuite, my roommate (who has no interest in anything remotely related to enterprise software, and doesn’t have any other devices that could have been listening in) started getting ads for them on his laptop.

It makes sense for them to target by IP, so if one person in an office is researching the product they can start targeting the entire office and maybe get their ad in front of an exec who can make a purchasing decision.

Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by TheSpiceIsLife on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:23AM (#22703037)
Do you live somewhere snowmobile advertisers are likely to target?
Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by bluGill on Friday March 27, 2020 @01:07PM (#22704650)
Even if he doesn't there are snowmobile resorts. People pay good money to go to places with a lot of snow, rent a snowmobile and ride in the wilderness for a week.

Also a fair number of people live where a snowmobile isn't practical but have a cabin where they are and so they will be making weekend trips to where they are practical.

Your point stands though, anyone who lives in the wrong area is unlikely to be targeted if the only indication they might want a snowmobile is home conversion. If you are serious you will do other searches (tracked for sure), and have location history in a target area (might not be track able, these area often have poor cell coverage)

Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by antonzabirko on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:37AM (#22703153)
That experiment is meaningless my friend. Aside from it not being applicable, ads are only a fraction of the issue.
Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by slipheen on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:23AM (#22703034)
Your defeatism is making things worse not better.

Your message is basically "You're already screwed, why bother trying?"

Why act that way? Who are you helping?

If you support privacy, then people taking steps to try to share less data ought to be encouraged, right?

Maybe it's not perfect - But it's worth trying to do better.

Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by Rooster61 on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:30AM (#22703096)
In what way did my message suggest defeatism?

I take active steps to minimize when and how the microphones around me listen in. In no way do I subscribe to the idea that "we are already screwed".

Please do not take the worst possible interpretation of what people say on HN. It's in the guidelines and generally looked down upon. This is not reddit.

Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by pkalinowski on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:37AM (#22703152)
Android doesn't listen. You can check by yourself using adb logcat
Re:Mycroft – An open-source voice assistant by antonzabirko on Friday March 27, 2020 @10:30AM (#22703101)
No, stop wasting your energy on change you won't make happen. Imagine if every innovator spent their time appealing to others.