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Re:3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits by chatmasta on Thursday March 26, 2020 @10:54AM (#22694111)
I’m not sure about this. China is, rightfully, being blamed for the initial outbreak of the virus and their failure to contain it. I think when the dust settles, we’re going to see a rapid decoupling from China as countries look inward to strengthen their domestic supply chains.

I have a hard time seeing China emerging as a winner from this crisis.

Re:3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits by vkou on Thursday March 26, 2020 @12:33PM (#22695281)
Given how poorly the rest of the world reacted after getting two months of advance warning, I can't think of more than three countries that could have contained this outbreak.

Fingerpointing at China when they reacted far more decisively then the West did seems... A tad off the mark.

If this originated in Milan, Kansas, or Bangalore, we'd all be in the exact same boat today.

Hell, if the outbreak started in Kansas, we would probably have a hundred thousand dead by now, with our supreme leader still insisting that the virus will magically go away in three weeks.

Re:3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits by mensetmanusman on Thursday March 26, 2020 @10:34PM (#22700029)
Not sure it is fair to say that the world really had advanced warning from China. They were saying everything was okay and people-people transmission is low. All trust was lost, so time was reset when Italy was hit, that is the real time zero, because no one trusts China.
Re:3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits by vkou on Thursday March 26, 2020 @10:54PM (#22700094)
> They were saying everything was okay and people-people transmission is low.

For the first two weeks of January.

When they got to the point of locking down an entire city, it became pretty clear to everyone that it was a serious situation.

We looked at that, and did... Nothing.

Re:3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits by Izkata on Friday March 27, 2020 @09:56AM (#22702831)
The first lockdown in Italy was Feb 21. Trump had alread convened a task force to investigate and handle the spread of the virus on Jan 29, and was later called racist for the travel restrictions placed on people coming from China on Jan 31.

It's apparently been memory-holed, but during this period it was the US media calling it "no worse than the flu", not the other way around.

Re:3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits by vkou on Friday March 27, 2020 @11:59PM (#22709107)
And what did that task force accomplish?

* Shipping a laughably insufficient number of test kits that didn't work, while banning private labs from developing their own tests. We still have a crippling test kit shortage.

* Asking people traveling from China to self-quarantine, and not following up.

* No stockpiles of necessary medical supplies.

Getting called names has never stopped him from rolling out bad policy in the past. I don't see why it can be credited for stopping him from rolling out good policy this time.

Re:3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits by travisporter on Thursday March 26, 2020 @03:26PM (#22696978)
Inner cynic: For now long? 5 years? Then we will again be cutting costs, looking at the bottom line, and find that Chinese manufacturing gives a better bottom line.
Re:3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits by jberm123 on Thursday March 26, 2020 @02:32PM (#22696438)
If China becomes less dependent on exports to the US, they could dump US treasuries, which could potentially destroy the US economy & the dollar.

They have the US by the balls.

Re:3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits by blackrock on Friday March 27, 2020 @07:08AM (#22701895)
Interesting theory. I suspect China will continue to do what they’ve been doing, and build out their own country.

The United States was built on the foundation of transportation (roads and highways), automobiles, mortgages, and travel. These industries built up the middle class, by providing jobs for home, and profits from exports to abroad. Then came tech and the massive windfall from that.

They essentially have the population of 4 United States, that they can essentially just compete internally among themselves, while still producing products for export to abroad.

They can just follow the same playbook here.

* Infrastructure, check, they have highways, airports, and also, high speed trains.

* Automobiles, check, they have the largest car market in the world. And they are continually working with, and learning from, their European partners. Eventually, they’ll get good enough to not need external partnerships.

* Mortgages, check, lots of high rises, since that’s the only way to house so many people.

* Travel, in progress, they’re working really hard to make a commercial airliner. This will take another 20 years, but Boeing messed up with their 737 Max fiasco, which may give them an opening sooner. But most of the parts to this airplane comes from American companies, so if Trump wants, then he can really crush their airplane independence dreams, at least for 10 years.

* Technology, in progress, they have mostly web companies, and application companies, but not yet core technology companies. They still don’t quite have CPU and memory chip companies yet, and they outsourced manufacturing to Taiwan. This is where Trump can really crush them, but again, at a heavy price, and only for 10 years.

In the end, anything is possible, but I highly doubt they are interested in squeezing the US by the balls anyways. They are finding it more profitable to maintain friendly terms with the US, and sell them cheaper trinkets, than taking a confrontational approach, and getting into a hot war, where nobody wins, except Lockheed.

Re:3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits by jberm123 on Friday March 27, 2020 @03:38PM (#22706076)
OP assumed the rest of the world will become less dependent on foreign goods, which would therefore hurt China. I pointed out China is hedged to come out on top in that scenario, not that China would necessarily push for that scenario.
Re:3.28M file for U.S. jobless benefits by mensetmanusman on Thursday March 26, 2020 @11:23AM (#22694422)
This.

China cares for its people by imprisoning them with brute technology and camps?