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Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by DoreenMichele on Sunday March 22, 2020 @12:00AM (#22652618)
Yes and no.

I used to be very active on a forum for urban planners. They made a very strong case that a few decades back and in living memory of some older members, small coastal towns in the US were affordable and pleasant and similar to other small towns. Then the practice of owning vacation homes drove up prices out of reach of locals and tourism brought other problems.

And this was before Airbnb was a thing and magnified such issues.

You need to build more housing and all that. But you also need to say "Housing is primarily for the people who actually live here and the wants and desires of wealthy tourists absolutely doesn't trump that." or basically the entire world lives in a shithole so a tiny fraction of the population can do whatever the fuck and indulge their every whim cuz money.

This is not a good thing. Not even for the rich people getting away with it while people say "Eat the rich." There is a long history of the lower classes violently and murderously removing the elites when they do that.

I'd like to not "live in interesting times" that include violent revolution. Covid19 is enough fun for me, thanks. I'm a boring fuddy duddy like that. Party pooper. Don't drink. Etc

Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by im3w1l on Sunday March 22, 2020 @01:21AM (#22652933)
Isn't it more fair that everyone gets a chance to spend some time on the coast than that a few people who hoarded all the property there before we were even born get to have it to themselves?
Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by DoreenMichele on Sunday March 22, 2020 @01:24AM (#22652941)
People can spend time at the coast without owning a second home that sits empty most of the time.

Historically, we used hotels to visit places we spent limited time in.

(Or you can camp, visit friends, etc.)

Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by im3w1l on Sunday March 22, 2020 @01:29AM (#22652966)
I was replying to the vacation home part but the airbnb part. And regarding hotels they also drive up the price for coastal properties. I guess that is not as obvious for people to comprehend as they see an airbnb'd apartment and think "I could live there" while that doesn't go for the hotel. When really it's the lots they should consider.
Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by gamblor956 on Sunday March 22, 2020 @03:53AM (#22653431)
Hotels are designed for short-term stays, and are regulated and taxed on that basis. (This includes such things as zoning, building code compliance, etc.)

Units converted to AirBnBs were not designed for short-term stays or taxed on that basis, and generally AirBnB only exists because it leveraged regulatory arbitrage quickly enough to grow to the point it could lobby for changes to the law. But after multiple studies in multiple cities confirmed that only a handful of investors benefited from loose unregulated short-term rentals, the pendulum began swinging back towards regulating them like the hotels they are.

Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by DoreenMichele on Sunday March 22, 2020 @03:56AM (#22653443)
It can also void your homeowners insurance to rent your home out on Airbnb.

There have been articles about this. It sticks in my mind because I used to be in insurance.

Residential buildings were not intended to be used this way and all the policy and infrastructure points to "No, really, you weren't supposed to use this as a commercial vehicle. That's not what all of society agreed to for this piece of real property."

Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by foldr on Sunday March 22, 2020 @05:21AM (#22653746)
I've always suspected that being an Airbnb host appears to be much more profitable than it really is because hosts are not properly insured.
Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by stevekemp on Sunday March 22, 2020 @09:13AM (#22654710)
I wonder if it would even make a difference? I used to be a landlord in Scotland, and now am in Finland.

For landlord insurance I'd pay about £300/year in Scotland, and €60/year in Finland. I'd be surprised if there were short-term policies, as distinct from long-term-tenant policies, that we significantly more expensive than that.

Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by foldr on Monday March 23, 2020 @05:59AM (#22662466)
The risk from taking on multiple short-term tenants with no real background checks is surely much greater. Especially given that the tenants have no real incentive to behave well or keep the property in good condition.
Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by perl4ever on Sunday March 22, 2020 @09:40AM (#22654862)
Some people do think the indigenous peoples that originally lived there should have exclusive rights.