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Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by DoreenMichele on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:59PM (#22652323)
When I was homeless, I sometimes stayed in cheap hotels. I never stayed in an Airbnb. I've seen discussions online where other homeless people also concluded Airbnb was useless and cheap hotels were more accessible for the poorest of the poor Americans.

I've also seen articles about how tourism is destroying cities, destroying the environment, etc.

Meanwhile, an upside to the current pandemic is a massive drop in pollution so extreme it's visible on satellite imagery.

I am reluctant to agree that optimizing for the right of "ordinary people" to pursue jet set lifestyles is really in the best interest of humanity.

I'm happy to let people travel. But "Let's ruin the planet for touristy shit and claim it to be some egalitarian ideal to open that path to less rich people so they can join in on that" is not really a value that strikes me as belonging in the wise and idealistic column.

Mayhap we can find something better if we put a little effort into it.

Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by DeonPenny on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:54PM (#22652593)
Everything doesn't have to be for some overarching good. It has to be fair. it's not fair for people to have to lose money on property they bought to help the poorest of poor americans. Giving access to middle class americans to travel more is a noble ideal. Not everything that we paint morally right like taking property people bought and forcing them to rent to poorest of poor american is fair to renter and we shouldn't create a unfair system for the renters cause they have rights too.
Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by DoreenMichele on Sunday March 22, 2020 @12:06AM (#22652637)
forcing them to rent to poorest of poor american

Absolutely not something I'm advocating. I talk a lot about housing issues. I think it can be solved without making landlords into the victims here.

That's a long conversation I don't really want to have at the moment. This comment might cast a little light on it:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22589980

Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by AlexandrB on Sunday March 22, 2020 @02:16AM (#22653122)
> it's not fair for people to have to lose money on property they bought to help the poorest of poor americans.

In a "fair" world, property would appreciate at the inflation rate. No more, no less. It's also not fair to help people make money on property at the expense of the poor and the younger generations. So where does that leave us?

Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by BubRoss on Sunday March 22, 2020 @07:40AM (#22654260)
You do realize that you can buy land and pay to have a house built right? You could even build it yourself.
Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by istorical on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:19PM (#22652421)
Can you explain why motels/hotels were better? In NYC it seems like a roomshare on airbnb in one of the boroughs is way cheaper than any motel or hotel you could find but I could see it being different in cheaper / lower cost of living cities.
Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by DoreenMichele on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:24PM (#22652454)
When I looked, they weren't actually cheaper. I never found something cheaper on Airbnb.

Also, I had no car. Hotels always had some eateries and the like in walking distance. If an Airbnb is basically in the middle of fuck nowhere with no amenities nearby, it does you no good if you have no car and very limited funds.

I stayed a lot in two hotels in Fresno. One had a Chipotle, McDonald's, two restaurants and a 7-11 right on top of it and the bus stop was also practically right on top of it. There was more shopping about a 15 or 20 minute walk away.

The other had a Taco Bell practically up against it and more stuff a few minutes walk away even though it was in the worst part of town with the fewest amenities. This also meant it cost less than the other one.

Re:Turns out claims Airbnb was taking houses out of the rent... by BubRoss on Sunday March 22, 2020 @07:38AM (#22654248)
When I was even more homeless, I stayed in cheap Airbnbs.