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Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by theamk on Saturday March 21, 2020 @09:52PM (#22651986)
This seems pretty important:

> While the standard for a conventional ventilator uses a mask or nose tubes and follows current guidelines, the pandemic ventilator is at a standard from the 1970s and requires a patient be intubated, the medical word used to describe putting a tube through someone's mouth and into their airway.

Do intubated patients need more attention from nurses/doctors? It certainly sounds harder then putting on the mask.

Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by Munky-Necan on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:43PM (#22652259)
Yes. You need usually an ED physician or CCU physician. We get taught how to do it in medical school, but that doesn't mean we're proficient. You need an ICU nurse level of skill to monitor the vent and it's an intense process. There are some drugs you can give to attenuate oral and esophageal secretions. Usually there's a significant amount of suctioning involved.

How it compares to managing a mask day to day? I honestly don't know, that's something an ICU nurse/respiratory therapist would know.

Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by tcbawo on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:16PM (#22652129)
Yes. Without proper cleaning, it is a highway for infection. You also need to maintain a balance of blood oxygen and carbon dioxide. Many of these people require supplemental oxygen. So, you have to control respiration rate and oxygen mix. This would be a very bad to try yourself.
Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by monadic2 on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:37PM (#22652227)
Intubation also reduces risk of of the patient infecting others.
Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by rtkwe on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:12PM (#22652374)
One of the other big issues hitting during this crisis beyond simple availability of ventilation machines is the number of nurses and doctors available to monitor and care for patients when they have to go to the ICU. Ideally the machine would be both cheap and easy to produce and require less qualified monitoring.

If we get way more machines but those machines require a lot of intensive monitoring we could wind up with plenty of machines but not making any progress on the fatality rate.

Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by catblast on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:05PM (#22652346)
Harder to infect others if you’re dead.
Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by mirimir on Sunday March 22, 2020 @01:44AM (#22653012)
Unless you plan ahead ;)
Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by aardvark291 on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:23PM (#22652168)
Do intubated patients have to be sedated/anesthetized?
Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by hello-radio on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:54PM (#22652305)
Very important question, surprised it hasn’t been asked. Yes they do, the gag reflex is very strong. Source, wife is a nurse.
Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by sehugg on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:18PM (#22652414)
IANAD, but my understanding is that minimal sedation leads to better outcomes, so patients may be partially awake some of the time, varying the dose of propofol and fentanyl. During these low-sedation times they may do breathing trials to try to wean off the ventilator. (They called this "sedation vacation" in the ICU I visited.) Not sure if this is how COVID victims will be treated, though.
Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by wbl on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:28PM (#22652180)
All COVID-19 patients are intubated to control aerosol creation.
Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by modoc on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:36PM (#22652219)
That is not true. Some are intubated if the mask respirators fail to provide proper oxygenation, but it is by no means the default.

Source: my sister is a nurse at a hospital treating dozens of COVID-19 patients.

Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by wbl on Sunday March 22, 2020 @12:33AM (#22652750)
Sorry, I ment for ventilation. This is from a report in one hospital and it's possible other controls are being used.

We are all rooting for your sister.

Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by saulrh on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:29PM (#22652184)
That sounds extreme. Do you have a citation?
Re:'Pandemic ventilator' could offer solution in potential '... by littlestymaar on Saturday March 21, 2020 @10:36PM (#22652220)
Not the op and I don't have a source available but I read the same earlier this week (can't find out were though :/)