The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nails It

Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by justanotherc on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:19AM (#22647087)

But they don't have civil forfeiture, they have a less tyrannical justice system, they have fewer incarcerated people per capita, so there's that.

Americans claim they are free, but only if they contort the definition. There's more to freedom than guns and free speech.

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by jsjddbbwj on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:25AM (#22647140)

A more tyrannical justice system and more incarcerated people are not necessarily bad per se. Remember that the US is vastly more heterogeneous which translates into more crime. Keeping criminals in prison is freedom--freedom to own a store and not being robbed, for instance.

Not sure how common civil forfeiture is, I'm not American, but it sounds quite fishy indeed. As I said below, I didn't mention the US at all...

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by Cpoll on Saturday March 21, 2020 @12:30PM (#22647675)

> Keeping criminals in prison is freedom--freedom to own a store and not being robbed, for instance.

I think when people mention the high incarceration rate in the U.S., they're usually bemoaning not the armed robbers, but those that are incarcerated for three-strikes laws, recreational drug use, non-violent recidivism, and those unconvicted but unable to afford bail.

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by woah on Saturday March 21, 2020 @12:09PM (#22647496)

You really think that the freedom to organize a neonazi cell is more important than the freedom not to be robbed at gun point by the police?

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by jeffreygoesto on Saturday March 21, 2020 @03:45PM (#22649351)

I'm not sure that incarceration (and the circumstances under which it usually happens) in the US is increasing the "freedom". See i.e. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wtV5ev6813I

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by justanotherc on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:32AM (#22647208)

Its a fair point, I'm just pointing out the fact that freedom is in the eye of the collective beholder.

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by weare138 on Saturday March 21, 2020 @02:39PM (#22648761)

> Remember that the US is vastly more heterogeneous which translates into more crime

Care to substantiate that claim?

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by Fjolsvith on Saturday March 21, 2020 @03:06PM (#22649032)

Care to debunk it?

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by weare138 on Saturday March 21, 2020 @03:39PM (#22649294)

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence or in your case, any. It's on you to prove it not vise versa.

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by Fjolsvith on Saturday March 21, 2020 @04:16PM (#22649648)

https://www.jstor.org/stable/43552152?seq=1

and

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227283604_Populatio...

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by krapp on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:13AM (#22647036)

Neither does the US.

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by jsjddbbwj on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:16AM (#22647061)

Definitely, I didn't mention the US at all, but at least the US doesn't have blasphemy laws, for example.

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by krapp on Saturday March 21, 2020 @11:34AM (#22647231)

> at least the US doesn't have blasphemy laws, for example

True. And yet despite that, Christianity seems to be a litmus test for being President in the US.

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by krapp on Saturday March 21, 2020 @02:01PM (#22648383)

Yes, I do. The US is not a theocracy, it's a secular republic. A person's religion should no more qualify them for office than their race or gender.

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by Fjolsvith on Saturday March 21, 2020 @03:09PM (#22649048)

It didn't surprise me when the Democrat party eliminated everyone except white men in their primary race this year.

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Re:The Leader of the Free World Gives a Speech, and She Nail... by cmurf on Saturday March 21, 2020 @02:29PM (#22648655)

See the letters between Jefferson and the Danbury Baptists. Who were the Danbury Baptists worried about? Muslims? Jews? Atheists? The local Congregationalist Christians.

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