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Re:Chloroquine, past and present by arrrg on Friday March 20, 2020 @03:06PM (#22640541)
The study from France seems to suck, though. Not very valuable data.

They measured virus, not outcomes, they measured virus in the throat, not the lungs, the starting point was not the start of the disease but some later (more arbitrary) point in time, the two groups were not randomly assigned and the study wasn’t really blind.

It could be that they just happened to compare two groups where the treatment group was further along in the illness – especially since they try to sell that as a disadvantage for them, but that could honestly be an advantage for them. We know that virus in the throat decreases as the illness progresses. (Virus in the lungs is much more relevant and also dangerous here, better would probably be outcomes.)

Not really evidence, sorry.

Re:Chloroquine, past and present by pbreit on Friday March 20, 2020 @05:17PM (#22641755)
OP called it "quite flawed".

But it is most definitely evidence.

Re:Chloroquine, past and present by arrrg on Sunday March 22, 2020 @01:32PM (#22656748)
“Quite flawed” is wild praise for this trash.

I don’t think it’s intentionally bad but it’s still bad. In the end it’s easier to make things worse … and chloroquine could, we don’t know. So I wouldn’t touch it.

Re:Chloroquine, past and present by egfx on Friday March 20, 2020 @05:33PM (#22641880)
This article shares insight into how the virus progresses. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/biograph...
Re:Chloroquine, past and present by abalashov on Friday March 20, 2020 @06:47PM (#22642509)
Insightful read in plain-spoken, non-specialist language! Thanks!
Re:Chloroquine, past and present by mytailorisrich on Friday March 20, 2020 @03:47PM (#22640940)
On the 26th February, in an interview, one of the researchers behind the French study said that he wasn't worried about Covid-19 and that it was just a flu...
Re:Chloroquine, past and present by pbreit on Friday March 20, 2020 @05:18PM (#22641760)
Do you have a link?
Re:Chloroquine, past and present by mytailorisrich on Friday March 20, 2020 @05:34PM (#22641883)
It's all in French:

1st February: https://www.lejdd.fr/Societe/le-professeur-didier-raoult-ce-...

"This coronavirus isn't so bad"

26th February: http://m.lamarseillaise.fr/analyses-de-la-redaction/decrypta...

"The coronavirus isn't more dangerous than seasonal flu."

Re:Chloroquine, past and present by tasogare on Friday March 20, 2020 @04:13PM (#22641185)
I wanted to write this comment. The researcher is indeed a specialist from what I read on the internet but given his total turn about concerning Covid I would personally not put any trust in his work. He participated in the crisis the country is facing right now, by saying on social networks there was no real danger about the virus.
Re:Chloroquine, past and present by pnako on Friday March 20, 2020 @09:11PM (#22643389)
I don't really get your point. He's indeed a specialist in infectious disease (he runs the most important infectious diseases lab in France)... but because his opinion on that virus disagrees with, what, hacker news, twitter and the mass media... then he's wrong? WTF.
Re:Chloroquine, past and present by mytailorisrich on Saturday March 21, 2020 @03:54AM (#22645229)
In February millions of people were in lockdown in China and thousands were dying.

That's why it's difficult to understand how an expert could casually claim that this was nothing more than seasonal flu.

Re:Chloroquine, past and present by ggm on Friday March 20, 2020 @06:32PM (#22642363)
Scientists make mistakes. Scientists change their mind in the light of the evidence. Your distrust of this scientist is distrust of science. Please, don't do this.
Re:Chloroquine, past and present by jfkebwjsbx on Friday March 20, 2020 @08:59PM (#22643325)
What? There was more than enough evidence. They are the ones anti-science.
Re:Chloroquine, past and present by roenxi on Friday March 20, 2020 @11:25PM (#22644126)
Not knowing the evidence doesn't make someone unscientific. Most scientists don't know most evidence.

If he had the evidence explained to him and then just assumed it would be different in France that would be unscientific, but we'd all need to read French to ague about that.

Re:Chloroquine, past and present by mytailorisrich on Saturday March 21, 2020 @03:56AM (#22645234)
In February the situation in China was public knowledge.

It's difficult to understand why a country would go on lockdown and build emergency hospitals for something nor worse than seasonal flu...

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Re:Chloroquine, past and present by mytailorisrich on Sunday March 22, 2020 @05:52AM (#22653867)
Please this is not the moment to spread loony conspiracy theories.
Re:Chloroquine, past and present by tompagenet2 on Friday March 20, 2020 @03:58PM (#22641032)
Thanks, I've found it hard to understand the French study. Do you have a good link to an (English, sorry) summary or critique?