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Re:Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days by op00to on Thursday March 19, 2020 @06:06PM (#22632258)
Mtr isn’t a reliable measure of packet loss. Routers drop “extra” packets like ping before they drop “paying” packets.
Re:Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days by kitteh on Thursday March 19, 2020 @06:27PM (#22632414)
Yes I'm well aware of routers policing TTL=1 packets, but if you see consistent loss all the way down it's usually a sign. This compared to seeing individual spikes on intermediate routers which are usually control plane policing.
Re:Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days by lxgr on Thursday March 19, 2020 @06:23PM (#22632385)
mtr uses UDP data packets, as far as I am aware.

Yes, the ICMP response packets could still be skewed, and the effect you mention is definitely real, but on a good connection, usually there should not be much to drop at all, neither TCP/UDP traffic nor ICMP packets.

Re:Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days by cthalupa on Friday March 20, 2020 @09:52AM (#22637475)
>mtr uses UDP data packets, as far as I am aware.

Doesn't matter what it uses (though by default MTR does use regular old ICMP Echo - you have to specify -u or -t to get it in UDP or TCP mode). When TTL expires it still requires an ICMP TTL Exceeded be sent, regardless of whether or not you were sending ICMP through it.

Traceroute implementations in general are probably telling most everyone in this thread a lot less than they think, even without icmp deprioritization being taken into account.

https://archive.nanog.org/meetings/nanog47/presentations/Sun... is worth a read for most anyone that's ever attempted to use traceroute to troubleshoot networking, because they're almost certainly doing it wrong.