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Re:Stocks Halt; Oil and Bonds Drop in Sync by gpm on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @01:36PM (#22619162)
Electricity can go negative because some modes of production are slow and difficult to turn off, so they keep producing and we need somewhere to dump the energy.

It doesn't help that unlike oil electricity is produced in a just in time fashion, we produce it the same second we want to use it, not days or months before hand. I.e. there is nearly no buffer capacity in the supply chain.

Does the same apply to oil? Can we not just turn the pumps off and leave it in the ground with what basically amounts to flipping a switch?

Re:Stocks Halt; Oil and Bonds Drop in Sync by asdfadsfgfdda on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @01:55PM (#22619391)
In America, wind power is given a subsidy of up to 1.9 cents per kWh generated. Because wind has almost zero variable costs, negative electricity prices can still make money for wind producers. Even though wind energy is fast to turn off.
Re:Stocks Halt; Oil and Bonds Drop in Sync by celticninja on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @02:03PM (#22619476)
yes you can stop taking it out of the ground. except Russia and Saudi could not agree with one another to do that, so now we have a reduction in demand coupled with no reduction in supply. soon storing that oil will start to be a cost centre. then we will see less demand at the wholesale level combined with price cuts to move existing stock. all of which will ultimately hurt oil producing countries.
Re:Stocks Halt; Oil and Bonds Drop in Sync by njarboe on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @02:32PM (#22619787)
They will stop pumping when the price to extract gets too low. To stop pumping does not reduce the amount of oil you will get out of a reservoir to any significant degree and you can start up again with little cost.

The big issue is that if lots of oil companies go bankrupt (many US fracking ones are highly leveraged and must sell oil at a certain price in order to survive) and people get other types of jobs, you can't ramp up the creation of new wells very easily. Oil from fracking takes a lot more effort and wells than the old style wells.

Re:Stocks Halt; Oil and Bonds Drop in Sync by Analemma_ on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @01:38PM (#22619189)
We could easily turn the pumps off. The issue is the Saudis aren’t doing that, for geopolitical reasons.
Re:Stocks Halt; Oil and Bonds Drop in Sync by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @01:47PM (#22619291)
> We could easily turn the pumps off

Can one? I don't know enough about oil wells to know if that's a simple thing to do. It could very well do permanent damage to the well, in excess of selling negatively for a few months.

Re:Stocks Halt; Oil and Bonds Drop in Sync by exhilaration on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @01:57PM (#22619402)
Only Russia can't completely turn off its pumps, and only during winter. They'll freeze. Besides that case everyone else can do it or simply slow them down as they've done in the past.
Re:Stocks Halt; Oil and Bonds Drop in Sync by BurningFrog on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @02:07PM (#22619530)
Will they thaw up and be usable in summer, or does the freezing destroy them?
Re:Stocks Halt; Oil and Bonds Drop in Sync by exhilaration on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @02:35PM (#22619811)
Not destroy exactly, but cause enough damage that it will require extensive repairs. Please note that this what the Russians claimed some years ago as the reason they could not shut down production during a previous disagreement with OPEC so we should take it with a grain of salt.
Re:Stocks Halt; Oil and Bonds Drop in Sync by scrumbledober on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @01:54PM (#22619381)
Saudi Arabia is constantly turning on and off different oil wells to manipulate the price of oil. This current crash is in large part due to them turning on all of their pumps.
Re:Stocks Halt; Oil and Bonds Drop in Sync by w1 on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @02:14PM (#22619595)
Usually, one can, with no ill-effects. Many operators run their marginally economic wells for only a few hours per day already.