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Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by colinmhayes on Wednesday March 18, 2020 @11:38AM (#22617791)
The value of an asset is how much it will pay out. If a company never pays its shareholders deciding instead to burn profits it becomes worthless. Apple has value because people believe that at some point in the future apple will decide to give its hundreds of billions of dollars in cash back to investors. Amazon was in a growth phase which is why investors were/are ok with profits being reinvested. Shareholders would not allow that strategy to continue indefinitely. Eventually they've got to see a return.
Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by throw0101a on Thursday March 19, 2020 @07:02AM (#22626331)
> The value of an asset is how much it will pay out.

No, the value of an asset is how much you will get for it.

Steve McQueen's 1968 Mustang Fastback from the movie Bullitt has neither dividends nor buybacks, but it was auctioned in January 2020 for US$ 3.4M.

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullitt

Paul Newman's personal "Paul Newman" Rolex Daytona sold for US$ 17.75M:

* https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/paul-newman-rolex-daytona-...

> Eventually they've got to see a return.

They can see a return at any point: sell your shares for more than you bought them for. Boom: capital returns.

Dividends do not matter:

* https://canadiancouchpotato.com/2011/01/18/debunking-dividen...

A dollar in your pocket is a dollar in your pocket regardless of whether it came from dividends or sell your shares:

* https://www.moneysense.ca/magazine-archive/the-income-illusi...

You are performing what is called "mental accounting":

* https://ritholtz.com/1982/11/explaining-investor-preference-...

* https://www.etf.com/sections/index-investor-corner/21413-swe...

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_accounting

Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by MiroF on Thursday March 19, 2020 @10:07PM (#22633866)
Chiming in here after reading this entire thread to say that you are definitely missing the point of the above commentator.

"the value of an asset is how much you will get for it."

and the price of an asset is an estimate of its value. projection of future dividend/buybacks is an important part of determining that value. the idea that its irrelevant to pricing is ludicrous.