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Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by ISL on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @01:16PM (#22607294)
Matt Levine has a rebuttal to this argument today.

Also, buybacks absolutely benefit shareholders that continue to hold. The supply of shares decreases, often increasing the value of the held shares.

Levine's argument did implicitly point out to me that there are times when those who don't sell back some of their shares during buybacks are inherently taking on more forward risk than with dividend stocks; a lesson I'm learning now the hard way. One lives and learns.

Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by luckydata on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @01:34PM (#22607542)
What kind of rebuttal is one that makes the same point of the original argument? The only difference is the point of view here. I hold stocks, so I'm happy they are getting bought back. That's it.
Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by tobias3 on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @01:54PM (#22607858)
It's not really a rebuttal, it's more of a description of how deeply flawed the system is. Given all currently available information CEOs should choose stock buybacks again.

If they need to be rescued now they should be regulated like other industries that are critical but don't seem to be able to weather crisis on their own (like banks), e.g. minimum cash reserve requirements with stress testing.

Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by ISL on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @03:02PM (#22608835)
Agreed, rebuttal isn't quite the right word.

A broader question -- can a company that allocates that much capital to preparedness be expected to survive during normal times?

I don't think there is a re-insurer big enough to handle viable pandemic insurance. Such an entity/industry would need to hold >$1T in pure cash right now.

Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by rmrfstar on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @01:25PM (#22607422)
Thanks for pointing out a rebuttal.

Taking a step back from "good or bad?"... One thing I haven't seen outside the academic literature is a discussion of the leverage ratchet effect [1]. Buybacks are just one lever that actuates the ratchet. A question worth asking: "why has corporate leverage increased so much over the past 30 years?" I don't claim to have an answer, but asking that question could shed some light on whether buybacks are "good or bad".

[1] https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/faculty-research/working-papers...

Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by scott_s on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @01:29PM (#22607478)
The value increase caused by the buyback tends to disappear in a year or so. There was a study which found this, but I don’t have a reference on hand.
Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by jsight on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @04:45PM (#22610189)
I do not understand why that would happen. Wouldn't they inflate the earnings per share, resulting in a permanently higher share price (all else being equal)?
Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by dlp211 on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @05:05PM (#22610415)
If stock price was actually based on pure fundamental analysis, sure. That is not at all reality though.
Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by jsight on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @05:08PM (#22610448)
After I wrote that, it occurred to me that there is another counterargument. If cash-on-hand decreases along with the inflation of earnings-per-share, the business value doesn't really increase.

I have always assumed that shareholders wouldn't take this into account, but maybe they deserve more credit than I've been giving them.

Re:Stock buybacks are dangerous for the economy by AznHisoka on Tuesday March 17, 2020 @01:54PM (#22607842)
Which makes sense, because usually the buy back happens during a limited period less than a year.