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Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by jfoutz on Sunday March 15, 2020 @07:58PM (#22588118)
I'm sort of surprised they didn't try to push the issue from the bottom. give every tax filer some amount of money say, $200. A bonus for each dependent, say, $100.

pulled numbers absolutely out of thin air.

I thought the issue was money sloshing around at the bottom, a couple hundred bucks can be a big deal when you're out of work.

Ah well, I'm sure the experts have it well in hand.

Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by amiga_500 on Sunday March 15, 2020 @09:13PM (#22588615)
> I'm sort of surprised they didn't try to push the issue from the bottom.

I think American finance would rather we end the world right now than give money directly to those who need it without Wall Street getting a cut.

Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by ummonk on Sunday March 15, 2020 @09:28PM (#22588738)
Temporary UBI has been proposed by legislators. Doesn't seem to be catching on with the mainstream republican or democratic wings though:

https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-alexandria-ocasio-cor...

Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by jpster on Sunday March 15, 2020 @11:05PM (#22589411)
Yes. I hope Powell (who seems bad at his job) has Bernanke on speed dial. Ben understood helicopter money. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/08221...
Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by kasey_junk on Sunday March 15, 2020 @08:54PM (#22588500)
The fed can’t do that. The legislative would need to.
Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by jfoutz on Sunday March 15, 2020 @09:00PM (#22588540)
Sure, not unilaterally. But last time the fed chair testified before congress that emergency action was required [1]. The fed can do lots of things besides futz with interest rates.

But again, this is just Sunday afternoon armchair quarterbacking.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008#...

Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by miohtama on Sunday March 15, 2020 @08:08PM (#22588191)
It's called helicopter money. Australia and Hong Kong already announced going down this route.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helicopter_money

It is very last measure as in that point you are basically admitting that capitalism has failed.

Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by snidane on Sunday March 15, 2020 @08:21PM (#22588287)
> It is very last measure as in that point you are basically admitting that capitalism has failed.

1. it might be better to prevent a situation of people unable to pay rents and mortgages and have the entire banking system collapse on this enormous liquidity trap. That could mean end of capitalism for sure

2. from capitalist point of ciew, you can look at helicopter money as a dividend. Companies 'give out' money to shareholders and Alaska and Saudi Arabia give out oil money to citizens too.

Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by hnick on Monday March 16, 2020 @03:32AM (#22590761)
It was done to great effect in Australia during the GFC, and the fact it was done early is a contributing factor to its success allowing us to ride it out with minimal downside. So hardly a last resort.

The current government is considering doing it again too as you say. Though of course, since they were in opposition last time they've spent the last decade saying how it was such a terrible idea last time.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/commentisfree/2020/mar/...

Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by gentleman11 on Sunday March 15, 2020 @08:42PM (#22588437)
Alberta did this with a surplus once. It was great. It doesn’t need to be a last resort at all
Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by amiga_500 on Sunday March 15, 2020 @09:14PM (#22588622)
Do it every month. Call it UBI. And fund it from land tax not taxing labour, to encourage people to do actual useful things. Like manufacturing ventilators instead of playing the stock market or the land market.
Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by chrispeel on Sunday March 15, 2020 @08:27PM (#22588331)
Maybe in some sense this would be admitting that capitalism failed, but not in some bad sense. Any monetary policy at all is acknowledging that we want a closed-loop to keep the economy stable; this closed loop is an acknowledgement that anarcho-capitalism (without any feedback loop) is not stable.

Helicopter money seems reasonable to me. Depending on how it's delivered, it could act like a temporary UBI.

Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by tiawav on Sunday March 15, 2020 @08:46PM (#22588457)
Quantitative easing is NOT helicopter money. HK is the first country that actually tried something like Helicopter money. 1500 US$ for each citizen.

All the quantitative easing has just brought us a giant bubble via asset price inflation. All I know, the bigger the bubble, the louder the blob. If central banks should do something, than finance entrepreneurship and start-ups, bring money to the people.

"It is very last measure as in that point you are basically admitting that capitalism has failed."

No, it has not. The boom-bust cycle is a feature of capitalism. Capitalism, call it a ponzi driven debt scheme, will only fail, if no further economic growth is possible anymore. This may be caused by energy limitations (wealth and growth are linked to Energy available) or other limiting things. Trust me, you don't want to go there. Some people call it seneca cliff.

Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by spir on Sunday March 15, 2020 @09:39PM (#22588823)
Citizens that are given Helicopter Money or UBI will then spend it at their discretion. This kind of free money is a complement to, not a failure of, capitalism.
Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by jfoutz on Sunday March 15, 2020 @09:25PM (#22588706)
> It is very last measure as in that point you are basically admitting that capitalism has failed.

Capitalism fails all the time. I use the market for lemons as my default example [1]. It's ok. It the market works pretty well, and it's a good starting point for lots of situations. The problem is sometimes it doesn't. We know about a bunch of situations where it doesn't work so well, so we have regulations and such.

It's an extraordinary situation. I find it odd they're not implementing extraordinary responses. I guess, locally, we are taking extraordinary action with closing non-essential events and locations.

I guess I don't see much value in interest free loans for most people. I guess maybe personal loans? I don't quite see how I can get my hands on 10k interest free. We'll see.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Market_for_Lemons

Re:Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero by sjwright on Sunday March 15, 2020 @08:43PM (#22588444)
Assuming that tax isn’t a failure of capitalism, how is a negative tax a failure of capitalism?