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Re:Ask HN: Which configuration management software would/sho... by wpietri on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:27PM (#22577415)
Could you please point me at prominent advocates of immutable infrastructure who propose destroying whole clusters to add a node? Because from what I've seen, that's a total misunderstanding.
Re:Ask HN: Which configuration management software would/sho... by lukeschlather on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:51PM (#22577638)
As I said, it's a silly example just to highlight an extreme. In between there are more fluid examples. I don't think it's that ridiculous to propose destroying and recreating the cluster in its entirety when you're deploying a new node image. However as you say I'm not sure anyone would advocate that except in specific circumstances.

On the other hand, while my suggestion of doing it to add a node sounds ridiculous I'm sure there are circumstances in which it's not only understandable but necessary, due to some aspect of the system.

Re:Ask HN: Which configuration management software would/sho... by wpietri on Saturday March 14, 2020 @02:57PM (#22577704)
I'm saying it's not even an extreme, in that I don't believe what people are calling "immutable infrastructure" includes that.

If your biggest objection to an idea is that you can make up a silly thing that sounds like it might be related, I'm not understanding why we need to have this discussion. I'd like to focus on real issues, thanks.

Re:Ask HN: Which configuration management software would/sho... by lukeschlather on Saturday March 14, 2020 @08:10PM (#22579821)
I'm not objecting categorically to anything. I think that immutable infrastructure is a spectrum, and depending on your needs you may have just about everything immutably configured, or almost nothing. I just don't think it's so black and white as "you should always use immutable infrastructure."

I also think it's a cool idea to destroy the entire cluster just to add a node, and it sounds ridiculous but also like there's some circumstances where it makes perfect sense.

Re:Ask HN: Which configuration management software would/sho... by wpietri on Saturday March 14, 2020 @10:36PM (#22580741)
Again, do you have a citation for the notion that it's a spectrum? The original post that coined the term doesn't talk about it that way, and neither do the other resources I found in a quick search. As I see it, it's binary: when you need to change something on a server, you either tinker with the existing server or you replace the server with a fresh-built one that conforms to the new desire.
Re:Ask HN: Which configuration management software would/sho... by notacoward on Saturday March 14, 2020 @04:10PM (#22578257)
Wow, look at those goalposts go! If you make enough exceptions to allow incremental change, then "immutable" gets watered down to total meaninglessness. That's not an interesting conversation. This conversation is about configuration management, which is still needed in a "weakly immutable" world.
Re:Ask HN: Which configuration management software would/sho... by wpietri on Saturday March 14, 2020 @07:04PM (#22579443)
Again, could you please point me at notable advocates of immutable infrastructure proposing the approach you take such exception to? And note that I'm not proposing any exceptions.