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Re:Alcoholics Anonymous vs. other approaches: the evidence i... by daseiner1 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @10:41PM (#22553119)
all that and you entirely missed the point. surrender as a broad concept is necessary because alcoholism is an illogical, slippery disease. to get sober, you have to accept that you cannot do something that it seems like everyone else can
Re:Alcoholics Anonymous vs. other approaches: the evidence i... by taurath on Thursday March 12, 2020 @02:58AM (#22554461)
Or.... get some distance from the problem, then work on addressing the underlying reasons you go to it, while practicing not doing it. There are many paths.