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Re:Alcoholics Anonymous vs. other approaches: the evidence i... by jeffdavis on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @06:52PM (#22551669)
"I'm still not comfortable with the fact that the government will require people to attend what is essentially a religious service as criminal punishment"

Maybe there's some kind of slippery slope there, where they eventually start sending you to church for a parking ticket. But we don't seem to be sliding to that conclusion very quickly; so if it works, just go with it.

If you want to make a big federal case out of it, you could probably win it. But I honestly don't see how anyone wins with that outcome.

Re:Alcoholics Anonymous vs. other approaches: the evidence i... by FireBeyond on Thursday March 12, 2020 @12:07AM (#22553673)
Boise is dealing with this.

A few homeless shelters are "open", even when they don't have beds. They require mandated participation in multiple religious activities per day.

Boise statutes say "If a homeless shelter is open, you can be arrested and jailed for sleeping on the streets", and "but I don't want to be subjected to mandatory religious activities for only the _potential_ of a bed at the end of the day" is not considered an excuse.

Re:Alcoholics Anonymous vs. other approaches: the evidence i... by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @08:04PM (#22552143)
> But I honestly don't see how anyone wins with that outcome.

Then you presumably aren't aware of how abusive religious people can be towards atheists, and that includes in AA groups.

Re:Alcoholics Anonymous vs. other approaches: the evidence i... by jeffdavis on Thursday March 12, 2020 @12:13AM (#22553705)
It's one thing to criticize religious impositions on a secular activity (like addiction recovery). What you have just done is criticize religious people as a group, and claim that they are abusive.

Criticize ideas and policies; not groups of people.

Re:Alcoholics Anonymous vs. other approaches: the evidence i... by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Thursday March 12, 2020 @06:56AM (#22555492)
> What you have just done is criticize religious people as a group, and claim that they are abusive.

No, I have obviously not.

> Criticize ideas and policies; not groups of people.

Why? What, in your mind, is the problem with criticizing abusive religious people as a group?