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Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by kalium_xyz on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @05:28PM (#22550925)
I wish we could get rid of this dependency on the natural world that computers seem to have. Sadly I cant of a way to implement computers outside of reality and have some safe interface to them.
Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by segfaultbuserr on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @08:19PM (#22552236)
I always see computers as instruments for creating an approximation of a Platonist mathematical space from a physical space. Theoretically, digital computing can be done to any precision we want, until the non-ideal physical properties and constraints kick in, such as time, space, processing power, physics, in other words, leaky abstraction...
Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by exrook on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @07:15PM (#22551828)
Check out Permutation City by Greg Egan for some inspiration ;)
Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by AnthonyMouse on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @06:31PM (#22551528)
The dependency comes from pushing the physical limits until the abstraction leaks. Older memory technologies were not vulnerable to rowhammer. But they were also a lot slower.
Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by wtallis on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @07:15PM (#22551825)
Is this unreliability being driven by newer DRAM being faster, or by newer DRAM being denser?
Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by potiuper on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @07:42PM (#22551999)
Denser & lower voltage
Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by CarlRJ on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @07:58PM (#22552109)
That's it, we're going back to core memory.
Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by BuildTheRobots on Thursday March 12, 2020 @10:03AM (#22556951)
If you thought "cold boot attacks" were a problem with DDR, using memory that still holds data 50 years later might be an issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_boot_attack

Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by saagarjha on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @08:04PM (#22552141)
Core memory has temperature issues.
Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by saagarjha on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @05:32PM (#22550988)
Unfortunately, it looks like any interface is a potential for a side channel…
Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by gpm on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @08:01PM (#22552126)
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Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by heavenlyblue on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @06:00PM (#22551264)
Is it? You can fix rowhammer by simply re-mapping all memory banks after executing every instruction.
Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by saagarjha on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @08:00PM (#22552112)
That might mitigate Rowhammer, but does it really remove all side channels?
Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by badrabbit on Thursday March 12, 2020 @02:19AM (#22554263)
Perhaps photonic computing?

I think there are still lots of advances in computing needed to eventually have security from the semiconductor level up.

Re:TRRespass: Rowhammer against DDR4 by XorNot on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @05:49PM (#22551160)
There's an SCP article somewhere in this...