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Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by Jommi on Friday March 06, 2020 @02:52PM (#22506677)
This point only pertains in places with a poisonous legal system, such as US or UK.
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by wozniacki on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:07PM (#22508948)
Could you perhaps explain how it works in your country or other countries, in such matters? I'm not necessarily knocking any non-US or non-UK judiciaries or jurisprudence(s); in fact if anything I find US or UK systems poisonous too - as you describe it - to a high degree in some cases.

But how does a modern, complex and non-homogeneous society aribiter cases without turning "poisonous" or odious to some members?

To my knowledge much of Europe, M.E., Asia and even S. America are composed of largely homogeneous populaces with a smattering of outsiders at best.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by danans on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:25PM (#22509060)
> But how does a modern, complex and non-homogeneous society aribiter cases without turning "poisonous" or odious to some members?

There is no perfect society in this regard. Just because it's hard doesn't mean that such societies shouldn't strive to reduce the odiousness, and maximize the fairness in the administration of justice, regardless of the subgroup that the contending parties may belong to. Fair and equal treatment under the eyes of the law is a cornerstone of human rights.

> To my knowledge much of Europe, M.E., Asia and even S. America are composed of largely homogeneous populaces with a smattering of outsiders at best.

You've listed regions that contain some of the most heterogenous countries on earth in ethnicity, language, and culture, like the UK, France, China, India, Iraq, Lebanon, Indonesia, Brazil.

Some of these countries have multiple, sometimes contradictory legal systems, some sanctioned by the state, others by religious power structures.

The country that is often referred to as among the most homogeneous societies in the world, Japan, has a pretty well acknowledged dual justice system for citizens versus visitors. All societies fail at this, but if anything, the very homogeneous societies fail the most at offering equal justice.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by wozniacki on Friday March 06, 2020 @08:46PM (#22509165)
I'm talking about diverse, complex and modern as in a jurisprudence that takes into account many ethnicities and still manages to produce a letter of the law that multinational corporations find agreeable to do business in and yet at the same time subjects those corps to tough penalties with an enforcement mechanism to back it up.

Countries with a steady inflow of new migrants of all networths.

Countries that make real attempts to be fair to native born people and outsiders alike.

A country could speak 2 or 3 different languages and still a very largely monocultural way of doing things. Not to cherry pick but do you really think the Yighurs in China get a fair shake in a court? I really want to hear if you've read differently.

A country could have on paper very impressive law frameworks and yet in action be essentially meaningless since most of the population doesnt have access to fair representation.

Not mere grandiose legal frameworks with not an ounce of real world enforcement to back it up or go after bad actors in a legitimate way, without extra legal acts of justice or worse mob justice.

Pretty much any and every country you mentioned fails to meet atleast one or - in most cases - all of the criteria.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by danans on Friday March 06, 2020 @09:28PM (#22509306)
> Not to cherry pick but do you really think the Yighurs in China get a fair shake in a court? I really want to hear if you've read differently.

Definitely not. Multiethnicity is necessary, but insufficient condition

> Pretty much any and every country you mentioned fails to meet atleast one or - in most cases - all of the criteria.

That's obvious. I didn't say they were perfect, just far from homogeneous. And there's not much to learn from very homogeneous societies in this regard.

The question for the complex heterogeneous societies isn't whether they fail, but rather what direction they are moving in. Arguably both China and the US have moved backwards of late.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by nerdponx on Friday March 06, 2020 @07:17PM (#22508656)
Serious question: is there a legal system that works better in these kinds of cases?
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by rs23296008n1 on Saturday March 07, 2020 @02:01AM (#22510242)
As opposed to... where exactly?

I'm sure I can point at legal systems across the globe that have examples of completely terrible injustice.

Which legal system are you referring to that is significantly not "poisonous"? And why?

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by Jommi on Saturday March 07, 2020 @03:56AM (#22510681)
Try anywhere in Northern Europe
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by rs23296008n1 on Saturday March 07, 2020 @07:19AM (#22511220)
Name one. Genuinely interested.

Most legal systems are broken in some way to some extent. Unfair cases exist because people aren't perfect, make mistakes and/or have agendas.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by solarkraft on Saturday March 07, 2020 @10:05AM (#22511817)
Some legal systems are less biased towards people with more money than others. I think the ones in northern Europe tend towards that, but I don't have specific examples and wouldn't expect them to be totally fair either.
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by Jommi on Saturday March 07, 2020 @06:21PM (#22514961)
Finland/Sweden. I'm not saying they perfect, or that they have no flaws.

I'm saying they are not actively poisonous, such as in US. I think it's related to how weaponized the legal system in US is compared anywhere else

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by pc86 on Monday March 09, 2020 @03:29PM (#22528821)
What does "actively poisonous" mean in this context? You've used that phrase numerous times as if we should know exactly what you're referring to.