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Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by SketchySeaBeast on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:09PM (#22505257)
Can anything actually realiably get you to that top though? Even though a lot of asshole are there, I would doubt that being an asshole is a pre-req, and that in fact it's extreme luck - these people are > 6 sigma outliers when it comes to a lot of things. And it could very well be a learned behaviour of being that rich. Either way, it's pointless to aim to be one of those people - you just can't without the stars aligning in so many ways you can't control. Instead you're just an asshole who wants to be a billionaire, which probably makes you more of an asshole.
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by fenwick67 on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:19PM (#22505356)
6 out of the top 15 American billionaires inherited their wealth, that is the secret to wealth, have rich parents.
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by BigBubbleButt on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:26PM (#22505414)
And 9 out of the top 10 American billionaires are self-made.

It's amazing how you can use the same data to argue the opposite point, just on how you frame it.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by cooperadymas on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:10PM (#22505808)
Every time someone brings up people being self-made the discussion turns into post hoc justification. It seems that we can't simply accept someone's immense success and we must find some excuse for why they made it. Yes, luck and the people around them play a role in any success (and equally, in any failure) and that must be accounted for, but that's not nearly enough to automatically discount the actual person.

I guarantee if a the son of a middle class innkeeper with an absentee father from Greenbow, Alabama became a billionaire people would say he had an advantage because he got to experience a diverse group of people as a kid and had a loving mother who supported him. An orphan living on the streets in an impoverished town in Italy and we'd say not everyone has the opportunity to make their own way when they're only 9 years old.

Shrug.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by gshdg on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:59PM (#22505711)
Majority isn't so much what matters.

The percentage of people with significant inherited wealth who becomes billionaires far exceeds the percentage of people with significant inherited wealth in the general population.

Thus, inheriting wealth has an enormous impact on the likelihood of becoming a billionaire in America.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by zeusk on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:42PM (#22505568)
I wouldn't count Bill Gates entirely self made and so would himself. His parents, his colleagues, and every one around him played a major role in success. If anything, I'd say luck and timing are more important than being nice.
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by asjw on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:44PM (#22505585)
I don't think that is true

Warren Buffet' father was a congressman

Larry Page's father was a professor of computer science at University

Sergey Brin's father was professor of mathematics at University and his mother worked at NASA

these are the first three I looked up and they don't look like low or middle class

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by ThrowawayR2 on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:09PM (#22505799)
How are professors not middle class, financially? Academia doesn't pay particularly well.
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by bradlys on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:29PM (#22505965)
Financially - it's possible they're middle class. I've seen plenty of professors making $150k+/yr though... That's 3x the median household income.

But, I think middle class is more than just raw finance. Educational background of the parents is very important too. If you grow up with two professors - don't you think you'll do better than two high school dropouts? (On average)

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by chinesempire on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:19PM (#22505875)
I wish my father was professor at University.

How is it not upper class?

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by eanzenberg on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:49PM (#22505624)
Your model breaks down. 99.9999999...% of children of congresspeople, professors and NASA workers are not billionaires.
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by minikites on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:57PM (#22505687)
It's a "necessary but not sufficient" type of condition.
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by chinesempire on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:22PM (#22505906)
I think you made some mistakes in your math.

There are 535 Congressmen in USA, 99.99999999% of them is well... 535.

If I find the son of a Congressman that made billions your model will prove wrong

Warren Buffet is one.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by eanzenberg on Friday March 06, 2020 @02:15PM (#22506347)
>>99.9999999...% of children of
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by chinesempire on Friday March 06, 2020 @02:28PM (#22506444)
Still one in a billion
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by mdszy on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:34PM (#22505489)
A group doesn't have to be the majority to be significant.
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by SkyBelow on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:10PM (#22505806)
Are they self made? They might have made billions, but did they come from wealthy well connected families that or were they self made? Turning a million into a billion is significantly easier than turning a hundred into a billion because it buys you the ability to try without risking your future.
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by wildengineer on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:53PM (#22505653)
I hate that word, self-made. I think of Bezos, Buffet, Gates and all three of them had investment from their parents or had a business relationship made possible by their parents. Of the billionaires I know of, all them came from at least an upper middle class family. Certainly they are a special kind of talent and a big part of their own success, but they were raised by nurturing families with significant resources.
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by mcguire on Friday March 06, 2020 @03:00PM (#22506752)
Ok, we've got:

Jeff Bezos

Bill Gates

Warren Buffett

Mark Zuckerberg

Larry Ellison

Larry Page

Sergey Brin

Michael Bloomberg

Steve Ballmer

Jim Walton

I'll start: Here's my list of the "self-made":

Jeff Bezos, Larry Ellison, Michael Bloomberg (although I don't know how he made partner at Bloomberg at 30). Maybe Steve Ballmer. Page and Brin are special cases; they're the children of university professors.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by minikites on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:33PM (#22505480)
Define "self-made", that's the real difference of opinion. How many first generation immigrants from truly impoverished nations become billionaires?
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by throwaway55554 on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:59PM (#22505710)
> And 9 out of the top 10 American billionaires are self-made.

Is there really such a thing as self-made? I honestly don't believe so. Otherwise, I think more people would do it.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by filoleg on Friday March 06, 2020 @05:15PM (#22507851)
Disagreed. Simply said, not everyone has the chops to do it, not even mentioning luck. If that wasn't the case, we wouldn't have a demand/supply graph for software engineers in the US so screwed up, given how much pay one can get and how few credentials are required for it, especially compared to other similarly paying jobs.

Not saying that those situations are perfectly comparable at all, just trying to make a point that "if it was so good and easy, why isn't everyone successfully doing it" isn't really a solid argument for this.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by throwaway55554 on Monday March 09, 2020 @11:39AM (#22526255)
Well, to be fair, I said "more" not "everyone".

Also, if it were true that people could be "self-made", we'd see a more diverse selection of "self-made" people. Instead, we see races and genders that aren't doing anywhere near as well as other races and genders.

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by filoleg on Monday March 09, 2020 @06:17PM (#22530483)
If you think about diversity in terms of "races and genders", then I agree with you, there could be more of that.

If you think in terms of financial upbringing, we got a lot of diversity going. US has an insane turnover in terms of wealth, with a really high number of first gen millionaires and billionaires. Also note the fact that 70% of families losing wealth just a generation or two down the road[0]. Which is imo a very good thing, as it brings more evidence and support for the "self-made" theory.

In terms of social upbringing, just look at the numbers of top-tier CEOs and founders who are children of immigrants or immigrants themselves[1].

0. https://money.com/rich-families-lose-wealth/

1. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/30/us-tech-companies-founded-by...

Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by AnimalMuppet on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:51PM (#22505642)
That means that 9 out of 15 didn't inherit their wealth. So, maybe that's not so much the secret after all.
Re:Not being an asshole will make you more money by HarryHirsch on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:58PM (#22505695)
Connections are still useful. Consider Zuckerberg, he didn't inherit his wealth from his parents, but the connections he inherited from his father, a prominent dentist in Westchester County, certainly helped.