A modern “Hello, World” program requires more than just code

Re:A modern “Hello, World” program requires more than just code by ehnto on Thursday March 05, 2020 @11:49PM (#22501069)

It has been really interesting watching the evolution of the web. At some point during the frontend JS revolution, there was a flip from a focus on backward compatibility, progressive enhancement and low impact javascript to "Fuck it, let's make the whole thing out of javascript!"

Not 10 years ago I would have been debating if my dom actions for a touch slider were too much computation. Now? Why send HTML at all? We can make it out of javascript!

CSS animations were a boon because we didn't have to do any of that JS calculation, mmm precious pragmatism. What's that? You want the background to be a real time generated animation in canvas? I know just the tool!

I am glad we seem to be at a point where we can do it all performantly enough. But I do have to wonder how we got here so quickly.

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Re:A modern “Hello, World” program requires more than just code by SlowRobotAhead on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:09AM (#22501139)

I work in embedded. I have a 64Mhz processor with 256k of ram... you and I are on different planes man!

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Re:A modern “Hello, World” program requires more than just code by ehnto on Friday March 06, 2020 @12:47AM (#22501265)

Haha to be fair, I am no advocate for the JS revolution. I wish the web had kept things simple. Maybe I am a luddite after all.

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Re:A modern “Hello, World” program requires more than just code by adrianN on Friday March 06, 2020 @01:05AM (#22501324)

My main computer still has a Core 2 Duo.

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Re:A modern “Hello, World” program requires more than just code by dvfjsdhgfv on Friday March 06, 2020 @03:44AM (#22501976)

> I am glad we seem to be at a point where we can do it all performantly enough.

Well, sort of. The problem is, if every web app assumes they can squueze whatever resources it can, it basically reduces your overall performance (and - if you are mobile - your battery life). It wouldn't be a problem if it was about apps actually requiring these resources (number crunching and other computationally intensive tasks). But we are talking about mundane tasks such as displaying a GUI here! It's just laziness on the part of everyone involved, and the end user suffers most.

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Re:A modern “Hello, World” program requires more than just code by ehnto on Friday March 06, 2020 @04:19AM (#22502132)

I totally agree. I'm even dubious about the idea that we actually can do it performantly or if we just optimize for the wrong metrics, the web feels immensely slower than it used to.

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Re:A modern “Hello, World” program requires more than just code by timw4mail on Friday March 06, 2020 @09:48AM (#22503943)

What performance?

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