Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by pjc50 on Thursday March 05, 2020 @10:40AM
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Yeah, that's a means test and breahes the "universal" principle.
Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by 52-6F-62 on Thursday March 05, 2020 @12:07PM
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The program was never a universal basic income, just a basic income pilot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Basic_Income_Pilot_Pro...
Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by vzidex on Thursday March 05, 2020 @10:45AM
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You've hit the nail on the head - means testing is the killer of any social program. Means testing makes social programs challenging to access and frustrating to use, leading to them being unpopular and unsuccessful.
Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by Mountain_Skies on Thursday March 05, 2020 @11:06AM
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Maybe those setting the rates believe most of the money will be spent on housing. Two people each living in their own one bedroom apartment will pay more in total than two people living in a two bedroom apartment. The gap is even larger if the couple lives together in a one bedroom apartment. Healthcare, food, and many other expenses will tend to double but not all will. If UBI is meant to cover the basics rather than everything, and housing is most people's largest expense, the amount can be lower for couples and achieve the same result. The problem, as you noted, is many will choose to game the system.
Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by jimbokun on Thursday March 05, 2020 @11:59AM
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> Two people each living in their own one bedroom apartment will pay more in total than two people living in a two bedroom apartment. The gap is even larger if the couple lives together in a one bedroom apartment. Healthcare, food, and many other expenses will tend to double but not all will.
Exactly, so you are incentivizing people to be less frugal in order to get a bigger check.
Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by hadiz on Thursday March 05, 2020 @10:51AM
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It's because if you're in a relationship, you're considered a more valuable member of the society. Because it signals that someone has selected you to be around for a prolonged amount of time. Being single is more expensive in a big city.
Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by swebs on Thursday March 05, 2020 @11:24AM
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It is punishing couples, not rewarding them. The amount given to two single people is $34,000. The amount given to two people in a relationship is $24,000.
Re:People kept working, became healthier while on basic inco...
by hadiz on Thursday March 05, 2020 @11:31AM
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Being a couple is 1.5x more expensive than being single.
Why discriminate so heavily against couples?
It creates every incentive to lie about your relationship status. Or to avoid sharing a household altogether, creating greater economic inefficiencies and less built in social support of having a partner.