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Re:Aerogel from fruit biowaste produces ultracapacitors by mrfusion on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @09:19AM (#22483933)
General capacitor question

If you take a charged parallel plate capacitor and pull the plates farther apart does the energy in the system go up or down?

The equations seem to be geared to how distance affects how much you can charge a capacitor. But if it’s already holding a given charge, I don’t think the basic equation applies.

Re:Aerogel from fruit biowaste produces ultracapacitors by bananabiscuit on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @09:36AM (#22484061)
Stored energy goes up. That energy comes from the work done to pull the plates apart (since there is a static electric force attracting them to each other)
Re:Aerogel from fruit biowaste produces ultracapacitors by marcosdumay on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @09:51AM (#22484170)
If you hold the charge constant and capacitance goes down, voltage will go up (U = QC). The energy is (E = U^2C/2), so yes the energy will increase.

That extra energy is coming from your mechanic effort of separating two plates that attract each other.

Re:Aerogel from fruit biowaste produces ultracapacitors by mrfusion on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @09:57AM (#22484221)
Ok wow that makes sense. So I’d actually have a hard time pulling them apart?

What’s the limit? What happens 1 meter apart? 20 meters?

Re:Aerogel from fruit biowaste produces ultracapacitors by hwc on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @10:27AM (#22484513)
As long the capacitors have a width much larger than the distance between them, the energy stored is (if I recall correctly) linear. this is because the electric field is a constant vector field between the plates.

Once that is not true, you will transition to just separating two charged objects. Use Coulombs law to figure out the force. (Work energy is integral of force over distance).

Re:Aerogel from fruit biowaste produces ultracapacitors by raverbashing on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @11:09AM (#22484919)
The practical limit is not having electrons flying off due to the photoelectric effect or discharging due to conductive material in the environment.

So do it in a vacuum, in complete darkness.

Re:Aerogel from fruit biowaste produces ultracapacitors by stevefolta on Wednesday March 04, 2020 @10:17PM (#22490646)