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Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by chooseaname on Monday March 02, 2020 @03:24PM (#22468520)
> The mistakes Apple made were:

> - Designing the phone hardware with barely enough battery capacity, such that some moderately old phones might not be able to keep working properly when the batteries decayed.

Indeed! This was (and still is) very much a design flaw. People like to say, all phones have this issue, but where are the examples? Also, look at the iPads which are just scaled up iPhones. They don't have this issue because they don't suffer the same design flaw.

Apple put a bandage on the issue and people throw praise at them.

Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by manfredo on Monday March 02, 2020 @03:36PM (#22468653)
This is like saying my car's gas tank is a design flaw because I want to drive farther than my tank will allow. Increasing battery capacity means increasing the volume of the battery, which results in a phone that isn't as sleek. This isn't a design flaw, this is a tradeoff between form factor and battery capacity - just like how car designers have to make a tradeoff when selecting a fuel tank capacity.

The examples are, literally, every device that uses a lithium ion battery. Take any phone or tablet, repeatedly charge and discharge the battery fully (better yet, do so in a hot climate) and eventually it will not put out sufficient voltage. This will either trigger CPU throttling, or your device will start crashing. The iPhone was the most widely publicized example, but this is a fundamental issue with battery chemistry that all battery powered devices are subject to.

Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by chooseaname on Monday March 02, 2020 @03:43PM (#22468718)
Other phones don't have the issue because they didn't match a tiny battery with an over sized CPU. To use your analogy (which still isn't adequate at explaining the issue), this is like paring a top fuel dragster with a tiny fuel tank.
Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by manfredo on Monday March 02, 2020 @04:33PM (#22469267)
> Other phones don't have the issue because they didn't match a tiny battery with an over sized CPU.

It's not a question of if it's a question of when. All battery powered devices are subject to the limits of battery chemistry. Some phones have a bigger safety margin than others, but use the battery for long enough and it will put out less voltage than the device requires. As other commenters pointed out, other phones do indeed hit this limit.

Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by chooseaname on Monday March 02, 2020 @10:13PM (#22471478)
> It's not a question of if it's a question of when.

That's a good point and Apple's phones failed much, much sooner than any other phones. Thus the reason we don't hear of the others.

Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by manfredo on Monday March 02, 2020 @11:58PM (#22471911)
Plenty of cheap <$300 phones crap out after a year or two of use. You don't hear of them because they're not Apple.
Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by chooseaname on Tuesday March 03, 2020 @08:50AM (#22474389)
Anecdotally, I have several of those cheap ones that are still going great. (moto g 1st gen for example). They make great music/video/game players for the kids.

Apple designed about a years worth of battery capacity into a phone most people expected to keep 2 or more years. And clearly they put too powerful CPUs into the phones because they "fix" is to throttle them!

Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by oflannabhra on Monday March 02, 2020 @04:07PM (#22468985)
Actually, lots of Android phones, including Nexus phones, have this problem, but none of them had a software fix shipped.
Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by davidgould on Monday March 02, 2020 @07:54PM (#22470792)
My Android phone started crashing mysteriously under load. I was so fed up after a while I switched to iPhone. I now assume that the degraded battery without throttling was responsible for the crashes.
Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by edmundsauto on Monday March 02, 2020 @03:59PM (#22468912)
There is no correct answer here (no arguing matters of taste), but consumers seem to have voted for the sleek design.
Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by chooseaname on Monday March 02, 2020 @10:16PM (#22471492)
No, they didn't. Apple never gave a choice. If you want an Apple iPhone you get what Apple wants you to have.

The non-Apple choice is ... well, we all know the trade-offs there.

Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by gentleman11 on Monday March 02, 2020 @04:50PM (#22469429)
We did not. I can’t buy an iPhone 5 anymore that can still run iOS properly, so I had to get one of these huge but thin things
Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by colejohnson66 on Monday March 02, 2020 @05:10PM (#22469577)
Apples newer phones are actually thicker. They stopped the “make it thinner each year” thing.
Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by dilippkumar on Monday March 02, 2020 @10:43PM (#22471607)
> People like to say, all phones have this issue, but where are the examples?

Are there any other phones out there that are supported with software updates as long as the iPhone? If there is an Android phone that's been used for 3+ years, it will be ba good data point.

Afaik, Android phone OEMs don't try to make a device last as long.

Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by to11mtm on Monday March 02, 2020 @06:16PM (#22470135)
I've had Android and Windows phones in the past where replacing the battery fixed random app crashes/reboots.
Re:Apple to pay up to $500M to settle U.S. lawsuit over slow... by SenHeng on Monday March 02, 2020 @10:52PM (#22471649)
I had a 2nd gen Nexus 7 that after 1.5 years of use would intermittenly shut down even though battery capacity was around 60%.

It's the same issue.