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Re:SpaceX’s Starship SN1 prototype blows up during pressure ... by gpm on Saturday February 29, 2020 @06:37PM (#22454012)
I'm not a welder, but you're talking about

A prototype that was manufactured in a tent and in a field, with welds being done in that field only a few days ago. I doubt much QA or weld level testing was done.

A prototype on which they knew welds were less than ideal...

And specifically a prototype of a rocket being built with new materials and new manufacturing methods. Rockets have the nearly unique distinction of having to be strong enough and no stronger because being stronger wastes mass which lowers the very important payload to orbit number. Bursting a few pressure vessels as they figure out where that point on the strength curve is seems pretty reasonable to me.

We don't (yet) know at what pressure this burst at, if it burst near the total pressure needed to achieve their safety margin I imagine they will be ecstatic. I wouldn't interpret this test failure as a process, or QA failure without more information.

Re:SpaceX’s Starship SN1 prototype blows up during pressure ... by WalterBright on Saturday February 29, 2020 @09:22PM (#22454687)
> Rockets have the nearly unique distinction of having to be strong enough and no stronger

More precisely, airplanes are designed to being 50% stronger than the max load it would ever see. Rockets are designed to something like 10% stronger.

Re:SpaceX’s Starship SN1 prototype blows up during pressure ... by gpm on Saturday February 29, 2020 @10:34PM (#22454955)
SpaceX is apparently aiming for a 1.4x safety factor: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1215719463913345024

But my point here actually was the difference between "at least x times stronger than it needs to be", and "exactly x times stronger than it needs to be". Usually things are manufactured to the first spec, rockets are much closer to the latter spec because keeping weight down is so important.

I suppose airplanes must also be closer to the latter spec than most things, but they should still be more forgiving than rockets.

Re:SpaceX’s Starship SN1 prototype blows up during pressure ... by redis_mlc on Saturday February 29, 2020 @07:22PM (#22454224)
> A prototype that was manufactured in a tent and in a field, with welds being done in that field only a few days ago. I doubt much QA or weld level testing was done.

What you're describing is how farm tractors are repaired, not how aerospace mfg. is conducted.

You can't "test out" bad metallurgy, welding or mfg. in rockets.

Re:SpaceX’s Starship SN1 prototype blows up during pressure ... by gpm on Saturday February 29, 2020 @07:48PM (#22454328)
What I'm describing is literally how this rocket was made... literally the whole thing is being live streamed by people living nearby with both 24/7 cams on the facility and frequent higher quality closer films and pictures being taken. Occasionally there are tweets from Elon about the process too.

You are far from the only one who is skeptical that this is a valuable process, but there isn't any room to debate that it is what they are doing.

Edit: Here is a recent timelapse of some of that welding, as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7bIvLhI1hY

Re:SpaceX’s Starship SN1 prototype blows up during pressure ... by jiggawatts on Sunday March 01, 2020 @02:00AM (#22455580)
I keep thinking of the story "Have Space Suit—Will Travel", except it now it is "Have Welders—Will Construct Space Craft". What SpaceX is doing is both crazy complex rocket science, yet it's also quaintly pedestrian. It makes space feel more accessible to me.
Re:SpaceX’s Starship SN1 prototype blows up during pressure ... by thereisnospork on Saturday February 29, 2020 @07:52PM (#22454342)
What's a rocket but a tractor with a few tens of thousands of lbs of fuel and oxidizer strapped to it?

There's a reason SpaceX is eating "big aerospace's" lunch and tests like this are part of it.