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Re:Intel Refreshes 2nd Gen Xeon Scalable, Slashes Prices by wtallis on Saturday February 29, 2020 @06:22PM (#22453934)
AMD's latest CPUs are one NUMA node per socket.

Here's the 64-core Threadripper's core to core communication latency: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQXru3WU8AAV3JC?format=png&name=...

Communication within a CCX is quicker, but everything else goes through the central IO die that has all the DRAM controllers.

Re:Intel Refreshes 2nd Gen Xeon Scalable, Slashes Prices by MichaelBurge on Saturday February 29, 2020 @06:47PM (#22454061)
What is core-to-core communication?

Cache is shared by the cores, but may be temporarily "assigned" to a core that recently wrote to it. Is the latency(x,y) the "# of cycles to reassign to x a cache page owned by y?"?

Re:Intel Refreshes 2nd Gen Xeon Scalable, Slashes Prices by wtallis on Saturday February 29, 2020 @07:29PM (#22454244)
> Cache is shared by the cores,

Not really. All three levels of cache are split on Rome. L1 and L2 are per-core, and L3 is per-CCX (4 cores). If you have 1 thread with a working set larger than the 16MB L3 slice that each CCX gets, then you'll be hitting DRAM rather than spill over into the L3 of another CCX. But if you have cores on separate CCXs that are using the same region of memory, then the usual cache coherency semantics for separate chips applies.

The next version of AMD's Zen architecture is expected to increase the CCX size to 8 cores, so all 32MB of L3 on an 8-core chiplet will be unified and shared between all 8 cores, rather that being partitioned into two 16MB per-CCX chunks. I don't think it's practical for them to unify the L3 cache across multiple chiplets given the performance of their inter-die connections, and I don't think they have the die space on the central IO die for a fully unified L4 cache. (Shrinking the IO die to 7nm may make it possible to have some L4, but probably not enough to really help many workloads.)

Re:Intel Refreshes 2nd Gen Xeon Scalable, Slashes Prices by rbanffy on Monday March 02, 2020 @01:47PM (#22467424)
> L3 is per-CCX (4 cores). If you have 1 thread with a working set larger than the 16MB L3 slice

Still, 4MB per core is a lot more than the paltry 1.3MB Intel's 9282 offers.

Re:Intel Refreshes 2nd Gen Xeon Scalable, Slashes Prices by davidmr on Saturday February 29, 2020 @07:45PM (#22454315)
That’s an incredibly useful table! Do you know where the data in that table came from?
Re:Intel Refreshes 2nd Gen Xeon Scalable, Slashes Prices by hrgiger on Saturday February 29, 2020 @11:48PM (#22455188)