Exactly. Doesn't seem many geeks are able to look very much past the team-bubble though, from the downmodding and general comments, though there were some benefits of the doubt in between.

What shouldn't be acceptable anymore is: "This isn't my domain since it's technical [about business critical IT systems]" (and ofc vica versa), yet seems every function is now hell-bent on digging their heels in within "their" part of the dinosaur.