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Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by asdkjh345 on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:22PM (#22451649)
When you get banned for simply posting facts that one group dislikes, while "KILL ALL WHITE MEN" is totally fine and acceptable, there's definitely a balance problem. The idea that one socio-political viewpoint is objectively correct, and another is the same as believing the earth is flat is not a reasonable analogy.
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by no_wizard on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:29PM (#22451706)
Source?

Also, I remember when Twitter was getting really big one of their prominent founders (May have been jack but I can’t remember) did an interview in which they positioned themselves that social media platforms should use “constitutional logic” (for those not in the states, that’s the USA constitution) when regulating speech in their platform l, which, for better or worse, depending on context and things, “kill all white men” would pass the fee speech test.

Interestingly enough I actually can’t find anything that supports the example you’re referring to here. On the other hand I’ve seen tons and tons of sexist, misogynistic, white supremacist tweets that are super prominent on the platform.

Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by 12xo on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:24PM (#22451668)
You can be kicked out of any place of business for any reason... The web is no different.
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by heartbeats on Saturday February 29, 2020 @03:37PM (#22452921)
Should my grocery store be allowed to kick me out because they don't like my political views?

Should all grocery stores in the country be allowed to do this?

If so, how do I eat?

Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by 12xo on Friday March 06, 2020 @10:23AM (#22504247)
How would they know? What are you saying or doing that would cause others to shun you? If behavior is your problem, its not your views that matter, its your behavior. Being an asshole is not a protected class...
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by heartbeats on Sunday March 08, 2020 @10:08AM (#22518083)
If you are featured in the media for being a member of a political party or union, for example, people could recognize you. The cashier could be given directions by the management not to serve Mr. So-and-so from the TV.

They could just look at the credit card number, and observe that 7305 matches a blacklist.

They could use facial recognition in the checkout to check against a database and deny you service that way.

And so on, and so forth. There is no need to be hated by ordinary folks, just that the upper management/media doesn't like you.

What is the solution to this? Never adopting any objectionable views?

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Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by 12xo on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:39PM (#22451774)
Wow. You went off the cliff. Paring racial discrimination with a difference of views is asinine. And yes, you can choose to serve anyone individual, you cannot globally discriminate. Get the difference?
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by asdkjh345 on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:46PM (#22451832)
>Wow. You went off the cliff. Paring racial discrimination with a difference of views is asinine.

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. You made an objective claim, I provided an example that demonstrates it is false.

Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by 12xo on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:52PM (#22451861)
You dont seem to understand the difference between discrimination and a difference of views. Unless you feel that being a "insert political party here" is a protected class...
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by detaro on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:53PM (#22451867)
You claimed "any reason", not "for political opinions". They pointed out the difference you claim they are not recognizing exists.
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by ThrowawayR2 on Saturday February 29, 2020 @01:27PM (#22452057)
> "Unless you feel that being a "insert political party here" is a protected class..."

Actually, political affiliation and participants in political activity are protected classes in a couple of states, including California, where many HN readers reside.

"There are only three jurisdictions in the United States that explicitly bans political affiliation and activity discrimination, California, D.C., and New York. New York does not cover political affiliation discrimination, only political activity discrimination. Federal law discrimination law does not cover political affiliation or political activity. However, many states prohibit employers from influencing the votes of their employees."

Source https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/political-aff...

I tip my hat to California for still remembering what old-school liberalism means.

Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by 12xo on Saturday February 29, 2020 @03:03PM (#22452686)
Might be a lawsuit, if there is a pattern. But the statue wont stop anyone from choosing who they allow on their premises nor change their rights.
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by asdkjh345 on Saturday February 29, 2020 @01:01PM (#22451920)
You said "for any reason". That is incorrect, and I gave you an example to demonstrate this fact.
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by 12xo on Saturday February 29, 2020 @02:55PM (#22452633)
You can toss anyone for any reason. However, like many things, there are legal consequences. And if you do it based on discrimination you will certainly face charges, but you still have the right to remove people from your property at any moment.

for ex: If you show up in my bar. Talk crap act like a jerk,etc. You're out. Social media is no different. You are not owed access to anything.

Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by heartbeats on Saturday February 29, 2020 @05:40PM (#22453710)
What if all companies were to do this? What if all landlords within a ten mile radius were to tell you to piss off if you asked to rent, and all banks denied you a mortgage?

Do you think this would be a good outcome?

Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by asdkjh345 on Saturday February 29, 2020 @03:40PM (#22452938)
Multiple people have made every attempt at having a discussion with you, and yet you continue to ignore this and keep repeating the same red herring. Nothing in your post has any relevance to the discussion, and your statement was false, as I showed you.
Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by fzeroracer on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:27PM (#22451689)
I'm curious. Do you complain about balance issues for places like say, Voat as well?

I seem to only hear concerns about balance when it has to do with a perceived bias against the right.

Re:Elliott Management buys stake in Twitter and seeks to ous... by asdkjh345 on Saturday February 29, 2020 @12:34PM (#22451745)
>Do you complain about balance issues for places like say, Voat as well?

As well? I don't complain about them at all. Pointing out that it exists when people deny it is not complaining.

>I seem to only hear concerns about balance when it has to do with a perceived bias against the right.

Well I see two obvious differences that could cause that. The first simply being size. Facebook, google, twitter, reddit, etc are all, as organizations, far-left. And they all use their platforms to silence things they disapprove of, and push their politics. Whatever sites do the same from a far-right perspective are tiny. So, obviously there would be far more complaining from the far larger group of people who use the biggest sites on the web.

Second, all the supposed "far right" websites I see mentioned don't appear to be far right at all, and don't appear to do much or any moderating. They are "far right" because people with left wing views choose not to participate, not because they get banned. There's a big difference between being removed from a platform for having an unapproved view, vs being allowed to post your unapproved view and then people tell you it is wrong.