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Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by fiblye on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:41PM (#22437566)
Yet I see people grab their mask and pull it down to let a huge sneeze or cough out into the open, unprotected, all the time. I’ve even had convenience store workers pull down their mask to cough into their hands right before handing me something. Not to mention guys (not sure about women) pretty much never wash their hands with soap and water after using the toilet. Most train station bathrooms, excluding the Shinkansen stations, don’t even have soap—and I’ve been to plenty of doctor’s offices and restaurants that have no soap in or near their bathrooms.

Basic understand of disease spread and hygiene is lacking here. Changing into slippers when entering a building and wearing decorative masks are all about appearances, and that’s what’s most important in Japan. It’s even more evident with that sham of a quarantine on the cruise ship before letting infected people off.

Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by nihonde on Thursday February 27, 2020 @06:43PM (#22439185)
I’ve lived in America and Japan and have traveled the world. There’s absolutely no question that Japanese people have a much, much higher awareness of personal hygiene than most people elsewhere. Whatever axe you’re grinding here, the premise that Japanese people in particular are just robotically going through the motions is utterly inconsistent with my personal experience. During this Covid-19 episode, every single person who visits my home goes directly to the sink to wash their hands, unprompted. Masks are a precaution, not a cure. If nothing else, they’re a reminder that we’re in a heightened state of vigilance. If anyone were to sneeze or cough in public in Kyoto right now, you better believe that everyone is going to notice. It’s tourists that are visibly breaking the rules of hygiene as far as I’ve seen. (Your example of a conbini worker is funny since they’re generally foreigners.) The first signal that this outbreak was serious was when I noticed all the Apple Store employees were masked up. They’re the front line of dealing with foreign visitors.

People also rarely touch each other. No hugging, no kissing, no handshaking. All of this is important at times like this. Riding the subways here and in Tokyo recently, I notice that no one is holding a strap or pole any more.

Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by fiblye on Thursday February 27, 2020 @06:58PM (#22439272)
Funny that you mention foreigners, because trying to get an STD test in this country is hell. Doctors will grill you and ask if you’ve had sex with foreigners, and if not, why worry? There’s no way you have an STD. Unless you’re leaking blood, doctors will argue that you don’t really need an STD test. They say that to me even though I’m clearly foreign, but I guess I’m not one of those foreigners.

I had to visit a few clinics until I finally managed to get one to give me a test. Even then, I had to argue with them to do more than test only chlamydia and at least include gonorrhea. Syphilis and HIV weren’t included with any degree of persuasion, since they said only certain foreigners from certain countries have it, so there’s no chance of having that. That’s in the midst of a syphilis outbreak in a country that offers unprotected services with prostitutes. It seems like a pattern of fundamental misunderstanding among doctors.

I also once had pinkeye and went to an ophthalmologist. The doctor was calling people in one by one during allergy season and examining people in an open office setting so it was possible to see them be person before you being examined. The doctor wore no gloves. The doctor didn’t wash his hands before seeing me. After touching my eyes, he said he’d get me some eye drops, told me I was good to go, and immediately called the next person over.

I’ve also frequently been prescribed kanpou/traditional Chinese medicine and had to go to another clinic to get real medicine.

These are my experiences with medical understanding here. There’s a big problem with blaming “foreigners”, but the only people I’ve seen washing their hands with soap have been... foreign tourists.

Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by tmm84 on Thursday February 27, 2020 @11:55PM (#22440610)
The syphilis thing is true. I've watched a few NHK health programs teaching Japanese people what syphilis looks like because most don't know how to ID it.

Also, I have had doctors just look at me, feel my throat and look into my eyes then give me the all clear at a physical. Like, how do you know I'm even okay just taking a glance?

Kanpou is something I have tried with limited success. I think it works on a placebo effect rather than actually curing you.

Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by leppr on Friday February 28, 2020 @06:14AM (#22441998)
> Also, I have had doctors just look at me, feel my throat and look into my eyes then give me the all clear at a physical. Like, how do you know I'm even okay just taking a glance?

From my experiences in a bit less than a dozen countries in the US, Europe and East Asia, that unfortunately seems to be a worldwide standard. Unless you're showing very obvious symptoms, it's on you to proactively request tests/medecine.

This is why I'm bullish on AI doctors, free from the negative incentives of an overbooked practitioner's schedule.

Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by sneak on Thursday February 27, 2020 @04:05PM (#22437869)
I don’t think what you’re describing is specific to Japan.

I regularly see all of the unhygienic behaviors you have described in public in Europe and in the US as well.

Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by fiblye on Thursday February 27, 2020 @04:33PM (#22438188)
Other countries have problems, but they’re not praised for their perceived cleanliness. I’ve also never had trouble finding soap in any other bathrooms, and no soap in the bathrooms of some medical clinics indicates a much deeper problem.
Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by filoleg on Thursday February 27, 2020 @05:56PM (#22438882)
Idk about Europe, but in my 10+ years in the US, I haven't seen a single bathroom (whether public or in someone's home) that didn't have soap. And that's across both coasts and a bunch of different states.
Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by eric-hu on Thursday February 27, 2020 @06:01PM (#22438919)
Check out a cash only gas station the next time you need to fill up and ask to use the restroom.
Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by vkou on Thursday February 27, 2020 @06:54PM (#22439253)
It's often cleaner than one in the cool, hip, vegan-only, fifty-craft-micro-beers-on-tap establishment I occasionally eat at.
Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by perl4ever on Friday February 28, 2020 @06:19AM (#22442023)
In what country? I can't remember the last time I saw such a thing, so I think it's at least been multiple decades. If I did, I would, you know, probably not even attempt to use the restroom.
Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by eric-hu on Friday February 28, 2020 @01:59PM (#22445305)
Arco and Valero in California are two chains that are effectively cash only (they take debit cards but charge a fee that's high when pricing it into the cost off gas). I no longer live in the US, but still visit family every year and I've seen those on every visit.
Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by perl4ever on Friday February 28, 2020 @09:02PM (#22448210)
Oh. But those are big chains, so I probably would expect the bathroom to be decent.
Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by eric-hu on Saturday February 29, 2020 @06:45AM (#22450129)
I think these places are franchises so cleanliness and maintenance depends on the owner.
Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by bsanr2 on Thursday February 27, 2020 @06:01PM (#22438918)
I wonder if one is supposed to carry one's own soap/hand sanitizer, as it goes with tissue paper (many Japanese bathrooms will not supply it).
Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by dreamcompiler on Thursday February 27, 2020 @07:47PM (#22439568)
And most bathrooms don't have towels to dry your hands. You're expected to bring your own towel, leave with wet hands, or use the electric blow-dryer and scatter germs all over the bathroom. For a country as obsessed with bathroom hygiene as Japan is, the lack of hand towels seems bizarre to me.
Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by meowface on Thursday February 27, 2020 @05:57PM (#22438886)
Is there some rationale for the lack of washing with soap? And is this just after men use the urinals, or also after they use the stalls?
Re:Japan's PM to ask all schools to temporarily close by fiblye on Thursday February 27, 2020 @08:05PM (#22439666)
Stalls and urinals. At most, I see guys wet the tips of their nails with water, usually followed by fixing up their hair quick.