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Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by austincheney on Thursday February 27, 2020 @01:31PM (#22436190)
I suspect this behavior occurs due to product placement. Apple pays movies and television to prominently feature its products. Apple products do not appear on screen by accident. Apple pays for them to appear. Also, then, there is incentive for screen production to never display Apple products on screen without a contract knowing Apple will pay money to ensure their products do appear.

I suspect Apple includes this limitation in their contracts.

Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by endorphone on Thursday February 27, 2020 @01:51PM (#22436427)
"Apple products do not appear on screen by accident. Apple pays for them to appear"

It has been reported by people in the business -- quite a few times -- that Apple does not pay for movie or television appearances. At least not directly. Instead they provide hardware for free to be utilized for placements, at least if they're good with the content of the show and format of the placement.

"Apple products do not appear on screen by accident."

If your movie or show is about American upper middle class teens, they're probably going to have iPhones. Apple doesn't need to pay for that to be true, though competitors need to pay for that to not be true.

I mean, tonnes of times you see Apple hardware and the show goes out of its way to occlude that fact (e.g. the MBP with the Apple logo covered). There just happens to be a lot of Apple stuff in the business, and it's what people are comfortable with.

Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by austincheney on Thursday February 27, 2020 @02:21PM (#22436779)
https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-product-placements-in-...

Barter is still a form of payment and all of this screen placement occurs under contract and marketing direction from Apple. I still view that as paid product placement, which is different than if the production included Apple products without any contract or guidance from Apple.

Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by endorphone on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:04PM (#22437213)
Sorry for the double reply, but-

"all of this screen placement occurs under contract and marketing direction from Apple"

Your link seems to go to efforts to state the opposite. Yes Apple has a liaison and yes they work with productions, but compared to the industry this is absolutely tepid.

So to contrast it, when you see HP or Sony or other such products, 100% of the time those companies paid a six figure+ sum and provided hardware for free. When you see Apple, the going case seems to be that you can negotiate free hardware if you want, but that's it.

Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by sybarita on Thursday February 27, 2020 @06:09PM (#22438965)
i mean their hardware isn't cheap, that's not insignificant. enough to leverage conditions like that, and prob enough to be worth it for many producers to comply.
Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by asveikau on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:57PM (#22437776)
The value of the free iPhones or whatever is not $0. So if you are trying to argue they don't pay anything, this seems like splitting hairs.
Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by endorphone on Thursday February 27, 2020 @04:04PM (#22437862)
If you see a prominent Samsung device in a show, there almost certainly was both free devices and sponsorship involved. If you see an Apple device, the going information is that it's just free devices.

They aren't picking Apple to save a few thousand dollars on props. In most cases they're trying to grab a little bit of that halo themselves.

Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by i1856511 on Thursday February 27, 2020 @01:47PM (#22436378)
Is there evidence to suggest the product placement is paid? I had always heard that Apple does not do this, and that the products are simply in the media due to the director's choice. But that's what Apple would want me to think!
Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by mdasen on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:19PM (#22437342)
If you watch Brooklyn 99, you'll see in the credits "Promotional Consideration Sponsored by Apple".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXFsXnklOhY (28 second mark)

It might not be paid in all cases, but I've seen it in a few shows.

Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by austincheney on Thursday February 27, 2020 @02:22PM (#22436789)
They are there due to contract with Apple. https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-product-placements-in-...
Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by endorphone on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:01PM (#22437186)
That article doesn't seem to say that.
Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by RandallBrown on Thursday February 27, 2020 @01:59PM (#22436531)
If you watch any of the AppleTV+ shows that are set in modern times, they all have iPhones, Macs, and lots of other Apple stuff.

Not sure if it's "paid" product placement or just part of the contract for being on AppleTV+, but it can't be a coincidence.

In Mythic Quest, there's a scene where you can see some iOS code on one of the screens. (Which wouldn't be that odd for a MMORPG game, except that it's code for controlling the camera.)

Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by bhj on Thursday February 27, 2020 @02:12PM (#22436675)
Razer laptops also make a surprising number of appearances in Mythic Quest, to their credit. I didn't catch if there was promotional consideration, but either way, it's a great show.
Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by i1856511 on Thursday February 27, 2020 @05:33PM (#22438685)
Even the antagonists?
Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by fortran77 on Thursday February 27, 2020 @02:23PM (#22436792)
Apple absolutely does this.
Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by favorited on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:28PM (#22437427)
It's a brand thing. If you see an Audi in a film, it's because Volkswagen AG paid for it. All the Oracle stuff in Tony Stark's house was paid for by Oracle. Square Enix didn't put Beats headphones advertisements in the FFXV movie for nothing.
Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by endorphone on Thursday February 27, 2020 @03:50PM (#22437677)
There are paid promotional situations. That doesn't mean that everything is a paid promotional appearance. Sometimes the product just makes sense in the situation.

e.g. BMW occasionally sponsors their vehicle to be in a premium film (e.g. Mission Impossible), often doing in-kind marketing agreements. Yet there are many films where BMW vehicles appear with no sponsorship whatsoever because it's logically a good candidate for the car in the situation/conveys the right image. Ford Crown Vics were every film cop car despite Ford's lack of involvement with that. And iPhones appear in a lot of situations where the most likely real-world phone would be an iPhone.

And to dispute a common misnomer, it is entirely within fair use to show brand logos presuming you aren't maligning the product in some way. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from showing a villain with an iPhone presuming you don't pretend the phone is a bomb or something, beyond Apple objecting to giving you free products.

So why do films/shows sometimes occlude the brand? Usually because someone else paid them to show their brand and they don't want brand confusion.

As an aside, elsewhere someone mentioned a show saying "promotional considerations provided by Apple". That specifically means free product, and excludes monetary sponsorship.

Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by gowld on Thursday February 27, 2020 @01:35PM (#22436242)
The old rumor is that Apple doesn't pay for placement but others do.
Re:Apple wont let bad guys use iPhones in movies, director says by raverbashing on Thursday February 27, 2020 @01:37PM (#22436260)
That's pretty much it

If anyone is curious about some of the details https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNuGdv536mM (starts around 2min in)