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Re:Clearing up some myths around e-cigarettes by colonwqbang on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:56PM (#22428370)
Another alternative to smoking is Swedish Snus! It also falls in the "probably not risk free, but certainly not nearly as bad as cigarettes". As an added bonus, you don't have to go outside to use since nobody else is affected (unless they want to kiss you or something).

But of course, although snus is a credible safer alternative to cigarettes, it is banned in every other EU country while cigarettes remain completely legal.

Re:Clearing up some myths around e-cigarettes by strbean on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:22PM (#22428598)
Don't forget that American tobacco companies all have "snus" products that are actually regular 'dipping' tobacco placed into pouches.

Swedish Snus is cold-cured, while other dip is heat-cured. It is well established that partial combustion of organic matter creates a bunch of different carcinogens. With cigarettes, you are inhaling partial combustion products from plant matter that has already undergone partial combustion once, and you have astronomical cancer risk. With dip, you are putting partially combusted plant matter in your mouth and have quite high cancer risks. With swedish snus, you are putting zero partial combustion, and no discernible cancer risk.

Re:Clearing up some myths around e-cigarettes by Ductapemaster on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:08PM (#22428950)
I had no idea about the difference - interesting. I thought nicotine itself was a carcinogen though?
Re:Clearing up some myths around e-cigarettes by p1necone on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:32PM (#22429116)
Nicotine on its own is no more harmful than caffeine, it's other stuff in tobacco that gets you (and burning it doesn't help). So I'm still skeptical that "cold cured" snus would be safe.
Re:Clearing up some myths around e-cigarettes by strbean on Thursday February 27, 2020 @05:13PM (#22438524)
> it's other stuff in tobacco that gets you

I think the evidence regarding swedish snus shows that it is far less carcinogenic than traditionally-cured oral tobacco, but still significantly carcinogenic. In particular, swedish snus has very little in the way of nitrosamines [1], a major carcinogenic element of heat-cured tobacco products.

RE: harmfulness of nicotine, my impression was that it was a little more harmful to the heart than caffeine. I suppose this would depend on dosage, which is difficult to compare.

[1] https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(07)60677-1

Re:Clearing up some myths around e-cigarettes by tpudlik on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @09:47PM (#22429908)
That (nicotine carrying non-minimal health risks) is Myth 3 in the linked article.

I recommend reading it, it's very informative!

Re:Clearing up some myths around e-cigarettes by xp84 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:24PM (#22428610)
Is that a kind of chewing tobacco? If so, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you may want to book a room in Mouth Cancer City because I'm afraid you might be headed there.
Re:Clearing up some myths around e-cigarettes by colonwqbang on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:45PM (#22428792)
No chewing, it just goes under the lip.

In Sweden it used to say "causes cancer" on the tin like it does on cigarettes. But the government removed the warning and now it just carries a nonspecific "harmful to health" warning. I guess that means that there wasn't enough proof that it actually causes cancer. But of course, future research might prove again that it does.

Re:Clearing up some myths around e-cigarettes by RandallBrown on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @06:52PM (#22428830)
You don't actually chew on chewing tobacco. It goes in your lip too.