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Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by dr_dshiv on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @01:02PM (#22425495)
Here is the crux of the article, beginning with the father of the inventor, Elizabeth Magie:

"Travelling around America in the 1870s, George had witnessed persistent destitution amid growing wealth, and he believed it was largely the inequity of land ownership that bound these two forces – poverty and progress – together. So instead of following Twain by encouraging his fellow citizens to buy land, he called on the state to tax it. On what grounds? Because much of land’s value comes not from what is built on the plot but from nature’s gift of water or minerals that might lie beneath its surface, or from the communally created value of its surroundings: nearby roads and railways; a thriving economy, a safe neighbourhood; good local schools and hospitals. And he argued that the tax receipts should be invested on behalf of all.

Determined to prove the merit of George’s proposal, Magie invented and in 1904 patented what she called the Landlord’s Game. Laid out on the board as a circuit (which was a novelty at the time), it was populated with streets and landmarks for sale. The key innovation of her game, however, lay in the two sets of rules that she wrote for playing it.

Under the ‘Prosperity’ set of rules, every player gained each time someone acquired a new property (designed to reflect George’s policy of taxing the value of land), and the game was won (by all!) when the player who had started out with the least money had doubled it. Under the ‘Monopolist’ set of rules, in contrast, players got ahead by acquiring properties and collecting rent from all those who were unfortunate enough to land there – and whoever managed to bankrupt the rest emerged as the sole winner (sound a little familiar?)"

Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by WalterBright on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:47PM (#22428293)
There have been many games that purport to demonstrate that free markets are a failure, all of them had to rig the rules to make that happen.

Monopoly, for example, is a zero sum game. There is no possibility of increasing the supply nor making more efficient use of existing supply. Win-win solutions are pretty much impossible.

Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by dTal on Thursday February 27, 2020 @04:35AM (#22431914)
That's exactly the crux of the observation about land and rent-seeking that Monopoly seeks to illustrate - you can't just make more land.
Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by WalterBright on Thursday February 27, 2020 @04:47AM (#22431967)
Of course you can make more. Build a 10 story building and you've got 10x the floor space. People do that all the time in places were land is in short supply. Monopoly is a child's game that has no connection with how markets actually work.
Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by BlargMcLarg on Thursday February 27, 2020 @06:53AM (#22432484)
And how often can you repeat this until you have effectively solved the optimum, and the situation devolves into zero-sum anyway? Are we growing the pie, or are we just rediscovering how big the pie is by optimizing better?

>Monopoly is a child's game that has no connection with how markets actually work.

Those aren't mutually exclusive. As far as I understand, the idea of Monopoly isn't to show how markets work. Its to show how finite resources such as land interact on a semi-free market. Which is exactly why lots of countries are now having problems with investors, foreign or not, buying up everything and driving up prices.

Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by WalterBright on Thursday February 27, 2020 @01:07PM (#22435890)
> having problems

Most countries hurt because investors avoid them.

> buying up

Meaning tons of money and investment is flowing into the country.

Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by WalterBright on Thursday February 27, 2020 @01:12PM (#22435945)
> And how often can you repeat this

No limit has been found, and certainly there's none in sight. Previous things running out:

1. rand out of wood for fuel. Now we use other fuels.

2. ran out of whales for whale oil. Now using other fuels.

3. Germany ran out of oil in WW2. They switched to alcohol and were developing other synthetic fuels.

4. The US ran out of rubber in WW2, developed synthetic rubber.

5. Ran out of farmland. Now use much more productive farming techniques. Vertical hydroponic farms are an emerging technology.

And so on. Interestingly, the countries that fail to adapt to change are socialist ones. The free market countries adapt.

Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by dorgo on Friday February 28, 2020 @03:53AM (#22441466)
> And how often can you repeat this

The sky is the limit. Or is it? When prices rise high enough everything gets possible.

Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by dTal on Thursday February 27, 2020 @08:39AM (#22433099)
In addition to my excellent sibling's note that this is a very finite solution to a boundless problem, land has a lot more uses than living space. Let's see a 10 story runway.
Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by WalterBright on Thursday February 27, 2020 @01:13PM (#22435976)
> this is a very finite solution to a boundless problem

Are you seriously concerned about running out of places to put a 10 story building? People will just start making 20 story buildings.

Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by AstralStorm on Thursday February 27, 2020 @09:25AM (#22433494)
How many farms can you stack?
Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by WalterBright on Thursday February 27, 2020 @01:05PM (#22435870)
People have started building vertical farms with hydroponics. Some say it's the future.
Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by dorgo on Friday February 28, 2020 @03:57AM (#22441486)
> you can't just make more land.

Sure you can. Other planets, moons, habitats... It's just expensive. And the prices are not nearly high enough to justify the investments.

Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by mr_toad on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @05:51PM (#22428326)
> There is no possibility of increasing the supply nor making more efficient use of existing supply.

Sounds pretty much like the housing market where I live.

Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by WalterBright on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @07:34PM (#22429137)
Ones where government zoning and regulation prevent any change, sure. But you can't really blame the marketplace for that.
Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by fzeroracer on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @11:12PM (#22430381)
There is no such thing as a free market for housing, because the only thing stopping someone else from squatting in your house and telling you to get bent at any time is the government.

Land is inherently limited, and becomes more limited the higher the population concentration. Eventually this can lead to things like AirBnB and other rent seeking behaviors in the absence of government intervention leading to gentrification.

Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by WalterBright on Thursday February 27, 2020 @12:40AM (#22430831)
> because the only thing stopping someone else from squatting in your house and telling you to get bent at any time is the government.

You're suggesting the government is anti-ethical to the free market. On the contrary, the government is required for a free market. The role of government is protection of property rights and contract enforcement.

> Land is inherently limited

Land use, however, is not limited. For example, building a 10 story building increases the amount of usable "land" by a factor of 10.

Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by chuniverse on Friday February 28, 2020 @08:40AM (#22442657)
“Under the ‘Prosperity’ set of rules, every player gained each time someone acquired a new property (designed to reflect George’s policy of taxing the value of land), and the game was won (by all!) when the player who had started out with the least money had doubled it.”

This seems like an arbitrary cut-off point. How do we know that if the game were to continue the result wouldn’t end up being the same, with one player still controlling a monopoly of all the properties?

Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by vondur on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @01:52PM (#22425945)
I believe that there has always been land taxes here in the US. I'd love for the US to break up some of these huge overpowering companies today though.
Re:Monopoly was invented to demonstrate the evils of capital... by naravara on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @02:12PM (#22426168)
US mostly has a Property Tax for state or local governments, which is different from a Land Value Tax. The property tax is levied based on the value of your property, which includes all improvements made to the property. A land value tax is specifically levied against the value of the land itself, and ignores the value of any buildings and improvements or the use value of the land you're on.