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Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by samvher on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:10AM (#22423576)
18% of cases end up serious or critical. Out of cases with an outcome, for 8% the outcome is death. [1] It's not just the flue. I agree that there should be no overreaction and that that part might be more worrying but it's pretty serious.

[1] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by learc83 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:19AM (#22423668)
18% of cases, where the infected person both sought treatment and was actually tested. It is very likely that there are far more asymptomatic and mildly symptomatic people out there.

The 18% number is mostly useless because it's a textbook example of selection bias.

Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:23AM (#22423719)
> where the infected person both sought treatment and was successfully tested

Isn't the same bias present in ILI (influenza-like illness) statistics?

Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by learc83 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:26AM (#22423753)
We've had time to do large population studies and build models to somewhat correct for this. Most of the death rates you're seeing throw around for COVID-19 are just naive number_dead / confirmed cases.
Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by samvher on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @01:14PM (#22425610)
Fair point, but WHO don't really seem to think that's the case. Dr Bruce Aylward (team lead of the WHO mission) noted that based on the large amount of disease screening that’s been done in China so far, there does not seem to be a huge number of mild cases that are going undetected. [1]

[1] https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/02/coronavirus-spread-i...

Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by learc83 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @01:26PM (#22425707)
If you read more on that. After he said that someone else from the WHO immediately contradicted him.

"The claim was quickly challenged by an infectious diseases expert who serves on a committee that advises the WHO’s health emergencies program.

Gary Kobinger, director of the Infectious Disease Research Center at Laval University in Quebec, said it would be highly unusual for there not to be mild or symptom-free cases that are being missed. He pointed to the fact that outbreaks have popped up in countries far from China — including Iran and Italy — because people with mild infections were not detected and traveled to other places.

'There are mild cases that are undetected. This is why it’s spreading. Otherwise it would not be spreading because we would know where those cases are and they would be contained and that would be the end of it,' said Kobinger, who insisted that mild, undetected infections cannot be ruled out until people who haven’t been diagnosed with the illness can be tested for antibodies to the virus.

'As long as we do not have good serology data, I think that it is completely speculative to say that there are no undetected cases,' Kobinger said."

What Dr. Aylward says makes no sense and reads more like a PR fluff piece designed to praise China to keep them happy, and as Kobinger points out he's probably wrong. From the same press conference he says this "If I had COVID-19, I’d want to be treated in China."

Which is obviously bullshit.

Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by safog on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:29AM (#22423804)
There's several issues here though:

1. For most people symptoms are so minor that they don't go to the hospital at all and don't get counted in the reporting stats. This means that the 18% number is higher than reality. How much higher we don't know.

2. The disease disproportionately affects older people: If you're between 0-50 your chances of dying are ~0.2%. From what I can tell these mortality odds are better than if you have the regular flu.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se...

Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by bedhead on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:12AM (#22423592)
Agree it it serious just as the flu is serious. We don't need to create a panic and literally bring the global economy to a halt is my point. Just reading the responses I sometimes think people are cheering for pandemic.
Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by karatestomp on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:25AM (#22423743)
There's gotta be some long German word for the state of not wishing bad things will happen, but kinda being glad when anything happens.
Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by SuoDuanDao on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @11:40AM (#22424581)
I've not come across one, but 'Apokalyptenlust' is grammatically correct and describes the sentiment I think you're referring to.
Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by MichaelApproved on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:21AM (#22423690)
You two are not in agreement. This isn’t just as serious as the flu, it’s more serious.

More deadly and more easily transmitted.

Also, people of all ages are dying.

Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by icedchai on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:32AM (#22423841)
The death rates among people over 50 are much higher. See https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-se...

If you're over 50, male, have a weakened immune system, and live in a location with high population density, there may be reason to be concerned.

Re:Tech can't remember what to do in a down market by sp332 on Wednesday February 26, 2020 @10:39AM (#22423907)
And we have flu vaccines.